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Submitted URL:
https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/
Effective URL:
https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/inner_pag.html?connect.secure.wellsfargo.com/auth/login/present?origin=cob&error=yes
Submission Tags: demotag1 demotag2 Search All
Submission: On November 25 via api (November 25th 2021, 4:27:42 pm UTC) from US — Scanned from DE

Summary HTTP 9 Redirects Behaviour Indicators

Summary

This website contacted 1 IPs in 1 countries across 1 domains to perform 9 HTTP transactions. The main IP is 52.222.236.22, located in United States and belongs to AMAZON-02, US. The main domain is main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com.
TLS certificate: Issued by Amazon on November 23rd 2021. Valid for: a year.

This is the only time main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com was scanned on urlscan.io!

urlscan.io Verdict: Potentially Malicious

Targeting these brands: Wells Fargo (Banking)

Domain & IP information

	IP Address		AS Autonomous System
1 10	52.222.236.22 52.222.236.22		16509 (AMAZON-02) (AMAZON-02)
9	1

10 52.222.236.22 (United States) 1 redirects

ASN16509 (AMAZON-02, US)
PTR: server-52-222-236-22.fra56.r.cloudfront.net

main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com	Domain lookup VirusTotal SecurityTrails crt.sh Censys Domaintools

	Apex Domain Subdomains	Transfer
10	amplifyapp.com 1 redirects main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com	28 KB
9	1

	Domain	Requested by
10	main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com	1 redirects main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com
9	1

This site contains no links.

Subject Issuer	Validity	Valid
*.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com Amazon	`2021-11-23` - `2022-12-22`	a year	crt.sh

This page contains 1 frames:

Primary Page: https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/inner_pag.html?connect.secure.wellsfargo.com/auth/login/present?origin=cob&error=yes
Frame ID: ADD99B18AAE3572A1D4813D4F57B1F97
Requests: 9 HTTP requests in this frame

Screenshot
Live screenshot

Full Image

Page Title

Wells Fargo Online Banking Security Verification

Page URL History Show full URLs

https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/ Page URL
https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/inner_pag.html?connect.secure.wellsfargo.com/auth/login/present?origin=cob&e... Page URL

Page Statistics

9
Requests

89 %
HTTPS

0 %
IPv6

1
Domains

1
Subdomains

1
IPs

1
Countries

27 kB
Transfer

35 kB
Size

0
Cookies

0 Outgoing links

These are links going to different origins than the main page.

Page URL History

This captures the URL locations of the websites, including HTTP redirects and client-side redirects via JavaScript or Meta fields.

https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/ Page URL
https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/inner_pag.html?connect.secure.wellsfargo.com/auth/login/present?origin=cob&error=yes Page URL

Redirected requests

There were HTTP redirect chains for the following requests:

Request Chain 4

https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/bg_top.png HTTP 301
https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/bg_top.png/

9 HTTP transactions
0 data transactions

Method Protocol	Status	Resource Path	Size x-fer	Time Latency	Type MIME-Type	IP Location
GET H2	200	/ Show response main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/	133 B 506 B	182ms 151ms	Document text/html	52.222.236.22 AMAZON-02
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Full URL https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/ Protocol H2 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 52.222.236.22 , United States, ASN16509 (AMAZON-02, US), Reverse DNS server-52-222-236-22.fra56.r.cloudfront.net Software AmazonS3 / Resource Hash `baa9fac0531a56ef7635f482fe693466f6998b8622ebe2f10eb8eebe04ccdda3` Request headers Upgrade-Insecure-Requests 1 User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/96.0.4664.45 Safari/537.36 Accept-Language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Response headers content-type text/html content-length 133 date Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:27:39 GMT last-modified Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:15:45 GMT x-amz-server-side-encryption AES256 accept-ranges bytes server AmazonS3 cache-control no-cache, s-maxage=2 etag "3bbf62fde972181e5c6802e8d32641f8" x-cache Miss from cloudfront via 1.1 a2cac9c5f0e90f8b7fede4ac9aca75cb.cloudfront.net (CloudFront) x-amz-cf-pop FRA56-P4 x-amz-cf-id CJejzgYkEd1EIZ-6qez5UrvyWRo6G2wSzZCzvvMnKqRc9KNHGBT_Fg==
GET H2	200	Primary Request inner_pag.html Show response main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/	4 KB 2 KB	12ms 12ms	Document text/html	52.222.236.22 AMAZON-02
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Full URL https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/inner_pag.html?connect.secure.wellsfargo.com/auth/login/present?origin=cob&error=yes Protocol H2 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 52.222.236.22 , United States, ASN16509 (AMAZON-02, US), Reverse DNS server-52-222-236-22.fra56.r.cloudfront.net Software AmazonS3 / Resource Hash `4c889c699507ea894fb68a9be75da41afbb9c5336b5df5c0ee8eb7014cefd31a` Request headers Upgrade-Insecure-Requests 1 User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/96.0.4664.45 Safari/537.36 Accept-Language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/ Response headers content-type text/html date Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:27:38 GMT last-modified Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:15:45 GMT x-amz-server-side-encryption AES256 server AmazonS3 cache-control no-cache, s-maxage=2 content-encoding gzip etag W/"7a427f244da5af8dd4fc4cec076815a8" vary Accept-Encoding x-cache Hit from cloudfront via 1.1 a2cac9c5f0e90f8b7fede4ac9aca75cb.cloudfront.net (CloudFront) x-amz-cf-pop FRA56-P4 x-amz-cf-id BFN6eW6rP67ECh8laI2DQoYk-tlkp_4KnT20nKSKbTvkmRo960OLFQ== age 1
GET H2	200	style.css main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/css/	10 KB 2 KB	12ms 12ms	Stylesheet text/css	52.222.236.22 AMAZON-02
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Full URL https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/css/style.css Requested by Host: main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com URL: https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/inner_pag.html?connect.secure.wellsfargo.com/auth/login/present?origin=cob&error=yes Protocol H2 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 52.222.236.22 , United States, ASN16509 (AMAZON-02, US), Reverse DNS server-52-222-236-22.fra56.r.cloudfront.net Software AmazonS3 / Resource Hash `0d8f592d3aef440e69bc1b0c002930689e3334eb1f29206b021044e39a6d3dce` Request headers Accept-Language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/inner_pag.html?connect.secure.wellsfargo.com/auth/login/present?origin=cob&error=yes User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/96.0.4664.45 Safari/537.36 Response headers date Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:27:38 GMT content-encoding gzip etag W/"f5e73da88692d257c3aec5d79bf01454" last-modified Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:15:45 GMT server AmazonS3 age 1 x-amz-server-side-encryption AES256 vary Accept-Encoding x-cache Hit from cloudfront content-type text/css via 1.1 a2cac9c5f0e90f8b7fede4ac9aca75cb.cloudfront.net (CloudFront) cache-control no-cache, s-maxage=2 x-amz-cf-pop FRA56-P4 x-amz-cf-id ubpHAZtIQ6F2tWLfYWHNyyE8CId-lQcYHgT-nPX22UTlGz5vqD93Iw==
GET H2	200	logo.jpg main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/	12 KB 13 KB	11ms 11ms	Image image/jpeg	52.222.236.22 AMAZON-02
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Show image Full URL https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/logo.jpg Requested by Host: main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com URL: https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/inner_pag.html?connect.secure.wellsfargo.com/auth/login/present?origin=cob&error=yes Protocol H2 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 52.222.236.22 , United States, ASN16509 (AMAZON-02, US), Reverse DNS server-52-222-236-22.fra56.r.cloudfront.net Software AmazonS3 / Resource Hash `6a4c9bda55c400bcf557984c93d42375a390367bd171727ca75ba5207e43d919` Request headers Accept-Language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/inner_pag.html?connect.secure.wellsfargo.com/auth/login/present?origin=cob&error=yes User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/96.0.4664.45 Safari/537.36 Response headers x-amz-server-side-encryption AES256 date Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:27:38 GMT via 1.1 a2cac9c5f0e90f8b7fede4ac9aca75cb.cloudfront.net (CloudFront) last-modified Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:15:45 GMT server AmazonS3 age 1 etag "87673e142907da15d749c074f102e286" x-cache Hit from cloudfront content-type image/jpeg cache-control no-cache, s-maxage=2 x-amz-cf-pop FRA56-P4 accept-ranges bytes content-length 12523 x-amz-cf-id O9CpRjf-GxJTSlxePTk7OiLoz8xo1C6kPGfjC25Xg3L4QtVD-7s8-Q==
GET H2	200	icon3.png main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/	1 KB 1 KB	10ms 10ms	Image image/png	52.222.236.22 AMAZON-02
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Show image Full URL https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/icon3.png Requested by Host: main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com URL: https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/inner_pag.html?connect.secure.wellsfargo.com/auth/login/present?origin=cob&error=yes Protocol H2 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 52.222.236.22 , United States, ASN16509 (AMAZON-02, US), Reverse DNS server-52-222-236-22.fra56.r.cloudfront.net Software AmazonS3 / Resource Hash `69f44920ee566a8cb7fe4a97463c5cd363e5b56ce883da11b29a5f5a3d4ef35b` Request headers Accept-Language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/inner_pag.html?connect.secure.wellsfargo.com/auth/login/present?origin=cob&error=yes User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/96.0.4664.45 Safari/537.36 Response headers x-amz-server-side-encryption AES256 date Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:27:38 GMT via 1.1 a2cac9c5f0e90f8b7fede4ac9aca75cb.cloudfront.net (CloudFront) last-modified Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:15:45 GMT server AmazonS3 age 1 etag "b1f2220d162273cc35f3458ad747f019" x-cache Hit from cloudfront content-type image/png cache-control no-cache, s-maxage=2 x-amz-cf-pop FRA56-P4 accept-ranges bytes content-length 1108 x-amz-cf-id 8kzpm16KtFubiUd93g95HuIG0gwCOWUlmEDLIdPpdqLOAr3UzlrZrw==
GET H2	404	/ main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/bg_top.png/ Redirect Chain https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/bg_top.png https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/bg_top.png/	133 B 133 B	10ms 10ms	Image text/html	52.222.236.22 AMAZON-02
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Show image Full URL https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/bg_top.png/ Requested by Host: main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com URL: https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/css/style.css Protocol H2 Server 52.222.236.22 , United States, ASN16509 (AMAZON-02, US), Reverse DNS server-52-222-236-22.fra56.r.cloudfront.net Software AmazonS3 / Resource Hash `baa9fac0531a56ef7635f482fe693466f6998b8622ebe2f10eb8eebe04ccdda3` Request headers Accept-Language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/css/style.css User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/96.0.4664.45 Safari/537.36 Response headers date Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:27:37 GMT via 1.1 a2cac9c5f0e90f8b7fede4ac9aca75cb.cloudfront.net (CloudFront) server AmazonS3 x-amz-cf-pop FRA56-P4 x-cache Error from cloudfront content-type text/html content-length 133 x-amz-cf-id bKe3OllSGy82K6U9f8ck7FrMtDSuzQTT-G6Y0x3XxdqI-WZdFToX1w== Redirect headers date Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:27:37 GMT via 1.1 a2cac9c5f0e90f8b7fede4ac9aca75cb.cloudfront.net (CloudFront) server AmazonS3 x-amz-cf-pop FRA56-P4 x-cache Hit from cloudfront content-type application/xml location /images/bg_top.png/ content-length 0 x-amz-cf-id KqWZJek39WYXQN-xGeU7pjug9gAIu1r7ZUZqrUiy1sfLNIZvfjb0ZA==
GET H2	200	img1.png main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/	3 KB 3 KB	10ms 10ms	Image image/png	52.222.236.22 AMAZON-02
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Show image Full URL https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/img1.png Requested by Host: main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com URL: https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/css/style.css Protocol H2 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 52.222.236.22 , United States, ASN16509 (AMAZON-02, US), Reverse DNS server-52-222-236-22.fra56.r.cloudfront.net Software AmazonS3 / Resource Hash `499f5e44488bef9456f38b42790051343e8abffdd38cfae4599ecc2ac7c82e47` Request headers Accept-Language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/css/style.css User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/96.0.4664.45 Safari/537.36 Response headers x-amz-server-side-encryption AES256 date Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:27:38 GMT via 1.1 a2cac9c5f0e90f8b7fede4ac9aca75cb.cloudfront.net (CloudFront) last-modified Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:15:45 GMT server AmazonS3 x-amz-cf-pop FRA56-P4 etag "abacf27a0408017dd0969bcee925e0e6" x-cache Hit from cloudfront content-type image/png cache-control no-cache, s-maxage=2 accept-ranges bytes content-length 3072 x-amz-cf-id BIlPjr0G-KzBvn6lZSo1fMBszeTCTCLlRPGKPoADGhP98qK2lQvUDw==
GET H2	200	img2.png main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/	3 KB 3 KB	11ms 11ms	Image image/png	52.222.236.22 AMAZON-02
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Show image Full URL https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/img2.png Requested by Host: main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com URL: https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/css/style.css Protocol H2 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 52.222.236.22 , United States, ASN16509 (AMAZON-02, US), Reverse DNS server-52-222-236-22.fra56.r.cloudfront.net Software AmazonS3 / Resource Hash `d12f68075437ba046b2dc85e53dc081f9c11669d25f5d04c7d985851aff31d65` Request headers Accept-Language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/css/style.css User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/96.0.4664.45 Safari/537.36 Response headers x-amz-server-side-encryption AES256 date Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:27:39 GMT via 1.1 a2cac9c5f0e90f8b7fede4ac9aca75cb.cloudfront.net (CloudFront) last-modified Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:15:45 GMT server AmazonS3 x-amz-cf-pop FRA56-P4 etag "64693f6ecaf19bd02c67b1e6744668db" x-cache Hit from cloudfront content-type image/png cache-control no-cache, s-maxage=2 accept-ranges bytes content-length 3123 x-amz-cf-id eivCO-pyfAfKmsAIR9Fybu6P-o6PD3S7PbWfAD1o8ZBEjHcx2dABFA==
GET H2	200	icon2.jpg main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/	1 KB 2 KB	10ms 10ms	Image image/jpeg	52.222.236.22 AMAZON-02
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Show image Full URL https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/icon2.jpg Requested by Host: main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com URL: https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/css/style.css Protocol H2 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 52.222.236.22 , United States, ASN16509 (AMAZON-02, US), Reverse DNS server-52-222-236-22.fra56.r.cloudfront.net Software AmazonS3 / Resource Hash `a6f643918329fc1a927510f388543d5b084b85082e5d01f1080ff6518ec6f1f7` Request headers Accept-Language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/css/style.css User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/96.0.4664.45 Safari/537.36 Response headers x-amz-server-side-encryption AES256 date Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:27:38 GMT via 1.1 a2cac9c5f0e90f8b7fede4ac9aca75cb.cloudfront.net (CloudFront) last-modified Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:15:45 GMT server AmazonS3 x-amz-cf-pop FRA56-P4 etag "bb2ef3ddb66faae16f9243da31677c50" x-cache Hit from cloudfront content-type image/jpeg cache-control no-cache, s-maxage=2 accept-ranges bytes content-length 1257 x-amz-cf-id jUtu44U2Au3jSb3W8PHBL2gOwKV1bt62dtlW6fJuwnR3uIRhxGz2WQ==

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Phishing against: Wells Fargo (Banking)

4 JavaScript Global Variables

These are the non-standard "global" variables defined on the window object. These can be helpful in identifying possible client-side frameworks and code.

object| onbeforexrselect function| reportError boolean| originAgentCluster object| scheduler

0 Cookies

Cookies are little pieces of information stored in the browser of a user. Whenever a user visits the site again, he will also send his cookie values, thus allowing the website to re-identify him even if he changed locations. This is how permanent logins work.

1 Console Messages

A page may trigger messages to the console to be logged. These are often error messages about being unable to load a resource or execute a piece of JavaScript. Sometimes they also provide insight into the technology behind a website.

Source	Level	URL Text
network	error	URL: https://main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com/images/bg_top.png/ Message: Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 ()

Indicators

This is a term in the security industry to describe indicators such as IPs, Domains, Hashes, etc. This does not imply that any of these indicate malicious activity.

main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com
52.222.236.22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main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com Open in urlscan Pro 52.222.236.22 Malicious Activity! Public Scan

Summary

urlscan.io Verdict: Potentially Malicious

Domain & IP information

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Page URL History Show full URLs

Page Statistics

9 Requests

89 %HTTPS

0 %IPv6

1 Domains

1 Subdomains

1 IPs

1 Countries

27 kBTransfer

35 kBSize

0 Cookies

0 Outgoing links

Page URL History

Redirected requests

9 HTTP transactions Everything HTML Script AJAX CSS Image Expand all 0 data transactions

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4 JavaScript Global Variables

0 Cookies

1 Console Messages

Indicators

main.dd8m0wposdxs4.amplifyapp.com Open in urlscan Pro
52.222.236.22 Malicious Activity! Public Scan

Screenshot
Live screenshot

Full Image

9
Requests

89 %
HTTPS

0 %
IPv6

1
Domains

1
Subdomains

1
IPs

1
Countries

27 kB
Transfer

35 kB
Size

0
Cookies

9 HTTP transactions
0 data transactions

Potentially malicious activity detected
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