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Hello Corsa C,
Firstly let me say that I have been looking all over this forum and have been
unable to find an answer for this question. For example having a look at this
thread here and have been unable to come across a solution which will help me.
This error code first appeared around the time when I had the engine replaced
because the old engine overheated and completely broke . When the engine broke I
ended up replacing it with a refurbished engine of eBay, I took it to the garage
and they said that the engine I have bought is in good shape and is mechanically
sound.
The engine management light did not turn on, until I took the car for a long
journey (over 4 miles). I took it back to the garage and they said that the car
is running mechanically sound and could just be a software glitch. They then
cleared the error codes and the management light went off. Please note the light
did not come back on again until I took it for another long journey (over 4
miles). This time I took out my Op Com and looked at the information and had a
look at the error code on the internet. The main suggestion to fix the issue is
to get a new MAF sensor so I did this today (kind of). Although I did replace
the MAF sensor I got it from a brokers yard first to see if it had fixed it. If
it had of fixed I would have then bought a new one (don't want to waste money
first).
Although the Engine Management Light does come on the car seems to be running
mechanically sound, there is no limp mode and the car is quick to respond at
lights and so on. This is my first car so I'm not able to compare it to other
cars when I say it runs fine. The only thing I can say is that when I let go of
the accelerator the car's RPM drops (obviously) however when I get below 1,000
the car's engine starts shaking for a bit. Almost like it is about to cut out
however it will quickly recover itself and then run fine again.
The exhaust pipe was going on the car (there was a loud knocking noise from
behind) so I took it to kwikfit and got basically an entirely new exhaust pipe
from kwikfit. I thought this may have been the issue because that would have
affected the readings the O2 sensors were receiving. However when I cleared the
EML the light came back on after another long journey.
The interesting thing is that the car does not show the EML if it is cleared and
the car is driven for less that 10 miles in one journey. If it is then the EML
will then come back on again. I don't know if it is the speed increase because
anywhere within a 4 mile radius has a 30MPH speed limit where I live. So going
out of that radius you start getting the 50 / 70 MPH speeds which could then set
it off somehow??
I have often read that the P0170 error is very vague and that if it is not
causing mechanical issues it should just be ignored, however this can then
become an issue if later on another error arises and I won't be able to tell
because the light is already on. (Although I could Op Com it each week it would
just be a ball ache). Not only that but it makes people uneasy to ride in a car
with the EML on and it will scare away most buyers as well.
I have included two sets of live data readings from Op Com. One is with the old
MAF Sensor and one with the new MAF Sensor encase there is any difference you
more experienced guys could see.
Old MAF Sensor Reading:
Here
New MAF Sensor Reading:
Here
Thanks Very Much For Reading This,
Thomas.
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#2 · Apr 7, 2016
Hi there, too much to read on those code lists, in short when the light comes on
and you have done a code test what code do you get, is it the one that says no
fault that you mentioned, it may be going onto limp home and your not realizing
it, its hard to tell, i think if the fuel pump runs all the time when the
ignition is on its on limp home, if it only runs a couple of seconds it
inst....have you tried disconnecting the battery for ten minutes, will loose
radio code. But that might help....it could be the speed sensor as it does it
when you drive fast...it could be the crank sensor...you need to nail down a
fault code that means something, you can check the MAF voltage with OpCom, it
should go fro 0.5 volt idling to 4 volts plus at high revs....from Fred in
Essex...
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#3 · Apr 7, 2016
Hey g4vvq1983,
The information that I supplied was a live reading of the information that the
Op Com is getting from the ECU.
In short the only error code that I have is P0170 which as you have stated is a
ambiguous error code.
I believe the engine is not in limp mode because I'm able to get 80+ mph out of
it bearing in mind it is a 1 liter vehicle plus the car is able to go above
3,000 RPM.
I haven't tried the battery test and the information I have provided does
include the MAF Voltage. I will screen shot it for you just so you can see the
MAF Voltage against the RPM of the engine.
Old Maf:
Here
New Maf:
Here
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Thomas.
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#4 · Apr 7, 2016
No-one can read txt file, make it csv or excel to be able to understand
anything.
Who said that faul tcodes should be ignored??? :facepalm:
Error code, does it indicate rich exhaust or lean exhaust?
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#6 · Apr 7, 2016
Sorry couldn't find anywhere to upload the file so just uploaded the text within
that file. Below is a Google Drive link to the files as .csv so you can download
them or view them online.
Google Drive Link
Although it wasn't in the post that I quoted just looking through results on
google people say that it isn't worth the money most times and just to ignore
it.
The error code doesn't say whether it is rich or lean it justs says the
following:
"P0170 - Fuel Trim Malfunction (Bank 1) (03) - Present"
Sorry for the lack of information, my bad.
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#5 · Apr 7, 2016
Yes ok, it looks a bit high at idle and a bit low at full throttle, but having
said that does the idle matter that much, and it might be a job to actually
attain full throttle, but under Max load it ought to be above 4 volts, but i
wouldn't have thought it would put the light on, it might, are the fuel trims
ok.....they should hover around zero, if there up on about +20 its running lean
if there 20 below zero its running rich....the oxygen sensor should fluctuate
from 0 to 1 volt, if its on 450 all the time that's a sign its on limp home,
they can run quite well on limp home...
P0170 is listed as Fuel Trim Malfunction (Bank 1) so might be worth a
look....sounds like its running rich or lean....Fred.
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Hey Fred,
The link above should include the CSV file to the infromation so you can see it
as easily as I do.
However when I look at the Fuel Trim it just says -2% I take it this is not
normal?
Screen Shot Here
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#8 · Apr 7, 2016 (Edited)
Well actually 2% isn't bad at all, you have Long term and short term fuel trims,
one tries to correct the other one, bit complicated but they usually hover from
about 0 to to 6% say....that usually means there ok, is the Short term also
around 2%, not right high or low is it?, whats happening is if its over 20 then
its running lean and the ECU is commanding the system to dump in more fuel to
try to make it run rich, but sometimes it cant, if it has an air leak for
instance.....there is a theory if it running lean at idle its an air leak if it
runs lean at higher revs its the maf sensor....usually the fuel trim numbers are
relative to the Lambda sensor readings.....you should see the lambda numbers
kind of say 200 then 700 then 300 then 600 that sort of stuff at it regulates
the mixture, if its on zero all the time the sensor is naft, if its high all the
time its trying to put fuel in to get it to richen up.....good luck with
that...Fred.
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Hey Fred,
The screenshot is below, notice how B1S2 constantly reads 451 is that normal?
Here
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Hi Thomas, not sure if you have read message above, no 415 mv isn't normal, if
that's bank 1 sensor 1, that tells me its on Limp Home mode, i don't really
understand what is there, the numbers on the left look normal, except it says
inactive, the numbers on the right are not fluctuating for 0 to 1 volt, there on
0.4 volts all the time...it has to be on limphome with numbers like that..unless
it is sensor 2, they normally read totallly different....if it is on limp home i
wonder why.....Fred...
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#11 · Apr 8, 2016
Hey Fred,
Just to let you know that it is Bank 1 Sensor 2 (After CAT).
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#12 · Apr 8, 2016
Ah right i was reading it wrong, sensor 1 has to swing from 0 to 1 volt, sensor
2 behaves completely different, that just tells you how well the cat works...as
long as neither are giving a fault code they both should be ok.....only clue i
can see is fuel trim code....i was just wondering if it only comes on when your
driving at high speed maybe you ought to monitor the fuel trims at that time,
when the light comes on...its possible the maf sensor voltage is to low at that
time, it wants to be over 4 volts....i assume you haven't got any air leaks
anywhere, especially after the maf sensor and the air flow is ok, the air filter
is ok for instance....getting late here, off to bed cul Fred.
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#15 · Apr 8, 2016
Hey Fred,
Just to let you know I have uploaded my College Journey to the Google Drive Link
posted above. You should be able to see all the information, B1S2 starts working
normally after the sensor has heated up. I don't know how good the fuel trim is
but it looks ok.
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#13 · Apr 8, 2016
Hey Fred,
Yhea same here off to bed now, I will record my trip to college tomorrow. If
nothing unusal comes up then i'll go down my local bypass.
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Thomas.
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#14 · Apr 8, 2016
I might have suggested EGR sticking
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Hey Nick,
Yhea heard a lot about this causing the issue I was going to see if there was an
easier solution but I will look into it.
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#17 · Apr 8, 2016
o2 sensor maybe
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#18 · Apr 8, 2016
Hey Greyhound,
I have taken some live data of my car when I drove to college today. The O2
sensor looks to be functioning fine however i'm not entirely sure.
The link is below.
Here
Bank 1 Sensor 1's Value is in column AL
Bank 1 Sensor 2's Value in in column AO
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#19 · Apr 8, 2016 (Edited)
Hey Guys,
Looking at my EGR Valve is this normal?
Here
The headings are the following:
Left Heading:
EGR Valve (Exhaust-Gas Recirculation)
Middle Heading:
EGR Position Command (Exhaust- Gas Recirculation)
Right Heading:
EGR Position Feedback (Exhaust Gas Recirculation)
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#20 · Apr 8, 2016
Hi Thomas well as far as i know it should be closed at idle and light
throttle...or it will idle like a sack of spuds....prob opens at heavy engine
load or something, the idea is to reduce nitrus oxide by recirculating the
exhaust gasses via the inlet manifold....at certain times only....Fred.
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#21 · Apr 8, 2016
Ahh Ok,
Thanks Fred do you see anything that could be wrong from the information that I
have provided.
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#22 · Apr 8, 2016
This is the checking procedure for code P0170 on a Corsa-C Z10XE, taken from
Vauxhall TIS -
Check the following component for proper operation:
Check intake system for leaking
Fuel pressure
Check function of the tank ventilation.
Check vacuum hoses for splits, kinks, leaks and proper connections.
Perform visual check of all exhaust related components for completeness, leakage
and damage.
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#24 · Apr 8, 2016 (Edited)
> g4vvq1983 said:
> Yes that looks good to me, most of that is looking for air leaks on the inlet,
> like split hoses, even faulty brake servo, important bit is between the MAF
> sensor and the inlet manifold, i think if the charcoal canister tank had a
> problem you would have a fault code, its prob asking if the vent valve is
> stuck open, this is also related to the EGR valve being stuck open...the fuel
> pressure has to be done with a pressure gauge, unless the OpCom can tell
> you...might be a pressure sensor on there....and just run it and make sure the
> exhaust isn't leaking anywhere.....the fuel pressure should be around 40 lbs
> psi or higher....Fred.
> Click to expand...
Thanks Guys,
Was having a look at my throttle head and it was stuck full of carbon, that is
probably not doing the engine any help. Especially as there seems to be a major
carbon build up in the inlet valves. Even a mechanic had a look at it and was
like f**k me. I thought the engine was all clean but obviously the garage didn't
clean it when they fitted the engine .
Do you think that has anything to do with the error code or is this just another
issue?
I will also look at the TIS solutions.
Pictures of carbon build up.
Before Cleanup
Img 1
Img 2
Img 3
Img 4
Img 5
After Cleanup
Img 1
Img 2
Obviously I couldn't clean the inlet valves yet gonna need some specialist
equipment for that I assume?
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#23 · Apr 8, 2016
Yes that looks good to me, most of that is looking for air leaks on the inlet,
like split hoses, even faulty brake servo, important bit is between the MAF
sensor and the inlet manifold, i think if the charcoal canister tank had a
problem you would have a fault code, its prob asking if the vent valve is stuck
open, this is also related to the EGR valve being stuck open...the fuel pressure
has to be done with a pressure gauge, unless the OpCom can tell you...might be a
pressure sensor on there....and just run it and make sure the exhaust isn't
leaking anywhere.....the fuel pressure should be around 40 lbs psi or
higher....Fred.
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#25 · Apr 8, 2016
Yes that looks terrible, you made a good job leaning it, will prob make a lot of
difference....good luck Fred.
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@g4vvq1993
Hey Fred,
Thanks I'm not looking forward to cleaning it, will probably need to consult a
Haynes manual or something on how to take the intake block off the engine
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#27 · Apr 8, 2016 (Edited)
air mass meter 0 kg/h at idle speed? It is just wrong.
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#28 · Apr 8, 2016 (Edited)
Hi Liviu,
So I take it there is something wrong with the MAF sensor then.
Thanks,
Thomas.
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Yhea I see a lot of zeros even when the engines RPM is above 1,500.
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#29 · Apr 8, 2016
Fake sensor. Buy original.
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#30 · Apr 8, 2016
Ok...
Here is the Live Data from the car's old (original) MAF sensor. It too is
reporting 0 at some stages of the car.
So could it be another issue?
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#31 · Apr 8, 2016
This is the one I looked at. Yes, you may have issues with supply or ecu, but if
you replaced an damaged maf with an crap aftermarket, you will never know. maf
are not the ones to go cheap.
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#32 · Apr 8, 2016
Ok thank you,
I will clean out my intake block and get a new MAF sensor. I will do this over
the next couple of weeks / months. When I have done it I will post here the out
come. If it's over 6 weeks I will open a new thread linking to this thread.
Thanks Very Much All Of You,
Thomas.
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#33 · Apr 9, 2016
In the mean time, maf plug out, drive like that for a while, ecu will use
default estimated values, see if P0170 comes back. Probably not. You will have
other errors for maf, but let them be.
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#34 · Apr 18, 2016 (Edited)
Hey Guys,
So here's the update. I bought a MAF Sensor from ebay here is the link. (LINK)
Albeit it is not an original Bosch MAF Sensor but it states that it works with
my car and other reviews have confirmed that it works with their 1.0ltr engine
corsa c.
When I plugged it into the car, every now and then the car would jump down the
road. I've never had this feeling before but I assume it is a cylinder misfire?
If I unplug the MAF sensor the jumping stops and the car returns to normal.
Please note that the ECU has provided no extra fault codes.
I've boiled this down to two reasons,
1) The MAF Sensor is dodgy (despite what other people say).
2) The MAF Sensor is providing the correct values now, and because of the state
of the intake manifold the car is being starved of the correct fuel / air
mixture. (This would explain why there is no misfire error codes... I think) For
pictures of the intake manifold have a look at the posts above.
Please let me know what you think.
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#35 · Apr 19, 2016
Total waste of money buying anything other than a good used genuine MAF or a
Bosch unit, as you have found out, despite people advising you not to.
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#36 · Jul 26, 2016
Hey Guys,
Sorry for the post revival, I checked the rules and saw nothing about reviving
an old post so have continued to use this thread instead of making a new one.
So I went to Vauxhall a couple of days ago and bought a new Airflow Sensor from
them, this arrived and I fitted it to my car. The error light unfortunately to
my dismay still says Active in the Op Com despite the fact that I did a long
journey so something is not correct.
I unplugged the MAF sensor and the car's error light also did not disappear
unlike liviu suggested so maybe something else is also the issue. I have
attached the vehicles live data to the post below.
Live Data
Any help would be much appreciated,
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#37 · Jul 26, 2016
did you use opcom and choose clear clodes, then see if that helped
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#38 · Jul 26, 2016
Tbh I assumed it wouldn't make a difference as it still says Present on the ECU.
I may be wrong in that assumption,
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