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Updated: Sep 6, 2023 182 Comments · by Kat
SUIT OF THE WEEK: J.CREW FACTORY
Suit of the Week
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1. Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:19 pm
petty complaint/help me deal! My BIL is constantly correcting people for
anything and everything. Of course I don’t mind being corrected on big or
actual errors, but it’s little things he could easily let slide or just
correct in a slightly nicer way. An example is, I’ll suggest lunch at a
certain restaurant at 11, and he’ll respond in a kind of snarky tone “well,
that’s impossible, since that restaurant doesn’t open til noon”. He could
just as easily say in a nicer way “oh it doesn’t open til noon, want to go
then?” Maybe it’s a tone thing. Anyways, we see him kind of a lot and it’s
been getting on nerves and just want to vent!
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* Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:26 pm
“Okay, we will got at noon or pick a different restaurant. Why is this a
big deal, BIL?”
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:00 pm
+1. I have a BIL just like him and this is how we handle it, right down
to asking why he cares so much, lol.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 6:16 pm
You laugh. I have found that fake-smart people think exactly one step
in advance. “The restaurant isn’t open at 11! Ha ha!” They don’t
bother to think of the next step (here, suggesting noon or a
different restaurant).
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 7:15 pm
I do laugh, because you’re right.
“we could meet at 11”
“but place isn’t open till 12” (said in fake-smart ‘gotcha’ tone)
“ok we will meet at 12 then”
“but you wanted to meet at 11” (here is where my BIl will add a
hint of smugness)
It’s like driving in circles with people like this…
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:56 pm
Ugh, my exH was this way. He seemingly lived to correct me. And everyone
else. I even pointed out to him that I didn’t always think everything he
said was right but I kept my mouth shut unless the error mattered, which
is much nicer than nitpicking people. I guess he couldn’t help himself. I
think it’s an indicator of severe insecurity and feeling like one is one
up on others by correcting them. Pathetic really. I sure as hell don’t
miss it and I’m sorry your BIL is this way.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:06 pm
My son pulls that on me and it infuriates me.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:30 pm
I’m not a huge “children must respect their elders” but if my kid (at
any age!) did this I’d be furious
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:55 pm
I had one that tried that, and we let it last about 5 mins.
* Seafinch
09/07/2023 at 8:31 pm
My 12 year old keeps pulling this. It’s maddening!
2. Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:21 pm
Orange corduroy suit! Did I time travel??
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* anonshmanon
09/06/2023 at 3:07 pm
I swear the pants a woman was wearing on the bus yesterday are identical
to something I wore in 9th grade. I also keep seeing the little tiny
backpacks everywhere.
* Panda Bear
09/06/2023 at 3:08 pm
I had the same thought!
* Anan
09/06/2023 at 4:46 pm
I would love to wear an orange corduroy suit!
* Senior Attorney
09/06/2023 at 5:00 pm
Happy days are here again!!
3. Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 2:32 pm
what are your favorite easy fall meals? i have enough seasonal depression
that i swore to myself last year that i would make it easy for myself this
year. even better if they freeze well so i can do some in advance…
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* Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:51 pm
Cheese and crackers is my favorite fall meal. Winter = hearty meal. Fall
= get outside with some nibbles while it is beautiful. Get yourself out
to local markets and bars where this is an app and have at it. It opens
so many doors to get out there and graze.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:57 pm
I am putting this on my to do list. Thanks for a great idea!
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 2:55 pm
Budget bytes chicken stew is my favorite and it freezes well.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:04 pm
Soup. All the soup frozen into individual servings in the freezer.
I really enjoy this Manhattan clam chowder. Bonus that it’s super
healthy. I use all canned or frozen veggies for easy prep.
https://www.tasteofhome.com/recipes/hearty-manhattan-clam-chowder/
Use diced frozen potatoes and purchase packaged diced ham in the
lunchmeat area of the grocery store to make this super quick.
https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/56927/delicious-ham-and-potato-soup/
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:14 pm
Lentil soup.
I always have with fresh tomatoes, maybe bread if I am treating myself!
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:20 pm
It makes me sad that bread is a “treat.”
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:31 pm
Same!
* anon
09/06/2023 at 3:36 pm
For real.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:34 pm
Lentils make me projectile vomit. I am fun at parties.
4. Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:36 pm
Re Jonas Bro divorce: I love how the spin is that his family loves Priyanka
and that is like the only good take I’ve read on her ever. IDK what she is
like IRL; she is stunning and sort of very much a person of great presence;
her hair is #goals. I do not know any of these people but a friend was the
family dentist for a while (NJ is a small place and one just knows things
vs friend has a HIPAA problem).
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* Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:41 pm
Huh? I thought the other brother got divorced (the one married to Sophie
Turner)
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:47 pm
Yeah.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:49 pm
Yes but a point of friction has been mentioned “by a person” that
Sophie Turner didn’t like how the family really loved Priyanka (or
some nonsense). No mention of Brother/Wife #3.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:01 pm
Danielle does not have a career and has been in the family way
longer than the other two, so I expect that relationship has the
least friction with the family.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:18 pm
That’s complete garbage. Mama Jonas ran roughshod over Danielle –
there’s tons of video on that from their reality series. And they
didn’t like Priyanka until she caved and started using their baby
for sponcon like Danielle and Kevin do.
I suspect Joe got caught cheating with a teenager. He’s known to
like them under 16. And that’s why they are desperate to get ahead
of the news cycle by trying to smear Sophie. Like who is going to
believe Sophie Turner was partying so hard that notorious drunk Joe
Jonas had to divorce her. Especially when the only recent party
pics they have are her at a work wrap party. Definitely looks like
he had something to hide.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:28 pm
Oh I meant now. I wasn’t saying they were nice to Danielle in the
beginning but I’m sure now they prefer her to the other two. They
seem very traditional and I think they resent that the other wives
work.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:32 pm
Eh I could believe Joe is interested in a more settled, quieter
lifestyle than Sophie. He’s nearly a decade older than her and mid
30s looks very different than late 20s for most people. But that’s
why you don’t marry a 23 year old and make her pop out babies
immediately.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:35 pm
Plenty of 23YOs are parents IRL but I feel like she needed a few
years off after GOT to just have a bit of Spring Break in her life.
I think she is 27 now, which isn’t exactly a child bride.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:40 pm
There’s like a million interviews where they both agree she’s a
homebody and that he struggled during the pandemic because he likes
to party and is super social. It’s zero percent believable that
she’s a party animal. She finally saw her UK family and worked a
bit this summer after two years of popping out babies during a
pandemic and he’s freaked out that marrying young didn’t allow him
to mold her into a sponcon SAHM.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:23 pm
I know people have kids at 23 but it’s unusual these days in highly
educated and career-driven circles, and I would imagine Hollywood
is included in that. Other than high school classmates who
literally never left the zip code they were born in, I don’t know
anyone who became a mom before 25 and very few who became one
before 30.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:50 pm
Huh? This comment is incoherent.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 2:57 pm
Yeah, I truly don’t know what you’re saying
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 2:54 pm
I hate that they are painting her as a bad mom. She’s been working in the
UK and he’s touring. One of them wasn’t going to be with the young kids
or would be blowing off major income and their dream. But he isn’t held
to the same standard, much less expected to move to her country.
Everything I’ve seen on her socials (only peeked yesterday), it looks
like she hangs with ordinary folks and the folks haven’t changed over
time. If you’re really a party person, there’s usually not all of that.
Don’t know her from Adam but seems like she’s getting an unfair shake
with things.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:33 pm
Right — like he’s got the kids but he’s also touring, so he has a nanny
or two with the kids, which is fine, but let’s not be a martyr. I feel
bad for her — if it’s true that she wishes she had gone to college,
trust me, throwing up with randos in college is nothing to miss. I just
feel bad that they are tugged b/w two countries, so that will be hard
on all going forward. IDK why I feel invested in this other than the
Daily Mail won’t leave it alone and it has been a slow news day after
watching all of the Burning Men people have their bad camping
experience come to an end.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:36 pm
It totally looks like a concerted effort by his side to paint her as a
bad mom. Such an ugly look on him – that’s the mother of your kids –
shut that down asap.
Buzzfeed even has an article up that’s hilariously calling out the
other gossip sites for the blatant attempts at hit pieces.
Taylor knew.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:11 pm
I don’t get it — so many articles in so few days. It’s like his side
(his mom?) can stop talking. If he or his lawyer had any sense, they
would shut this down. Your fans wear skirts and may take a different
side than you think.
#winteriscoming
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 4:20 pm
OP’s post seems like a weird attempt at a PR person feeling out a
new line as to the reason. Like Priyanka fans vs Sophie fans or
something.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 5:13 pm
It would be awesome if the Jonas PR people are lurking here. It
could be a very fun fall on this site.
* Seventh Sister
09/06/2023 at 5:18 pm
I am *dying* to know where they intend to divorce. My understanding is
that UK courts generally don’t uphold prenups, and I assume she signed
one post-Vegas marriage or a post-nup when they went back to CA. The
less-wealthy spouse usually does pretty well in London, and I don’t
think there are quite as many leaks from from the courts over there
(unlike say, LA, where TMZ seems to get half the filings). I thought
she was a dreadful actress in GOT but she’s quite pretty, so I assume
the parts are out there for the future.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 5:36 pm
Don’t you have to divorce where you got legally married?
* Seventh Sister
09/06/2023 at 6:00 pm
No, it’s common but it’s not necessary. You generally have to meet
a residency requirement in the place where you want a divorce.
Nevada had the shortest residency requirement for a long time –
that’s why there were all those divorce “ranches” in Reno for
well-off CA women.
* Smokey
09/06/2023 at 5:53 pm
I’m confused by some of this and this morning’s discussion. What does
Taylor Swift have to do with it???
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 6:04 pm
She dated Joe a long time ago (~2008) when they were both teens and
wrote some snarky songs about how he broke up with her in a 20 second
phone call.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 6:34 pm
I don’t know who any of these people are and have never felt so confused
reading a thread here, lol.
5. Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:38 pm
Any platelet donors here who are around 130 pounds? I keep getting asked
and then the person sees me and says not to bother b/c of my size. It’s 120
pounds to donate whole blood where I go (and I do that regularly) and they
seem to want my type for whole blood anyway, so IDK why I get asked. A
family member is currently undergoing cancer treatment and I’d switch to
platelets if it’s feasible now that I know that there is a great need for
this.
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* Walnut
09/06/2023 at 4:40 pm
I was a regular platelet donor at about that weight, but that was a
decade or more ago.
6. Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:40 pm
Kibbe body types — is this sort of like getting your colors done but for
your shape / personality? Also, does age matter? What I’d wear at 25 is not
what I’d wear now that I’m older and primarily leaving the house for an
office job or weekend errands ( = shirt with words, athleisure).
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* Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:51 pm
Explanation:
https://theconceptwardrobe.com/kibbe-body-types/an-introduction-to-the-kibbe-body-types
Quiz:
https://theconceptwardrobe.com/kibbe-body-types/the-kibbe-body-type-test
I did it yesterday after reading the post. It didn’t tell me anything I
didn’t know, but it sounds like it’s been informative for others. (I’m an
hourglass, so my body hasn’t given me much choice about dressing for it
vs what might be in style. #nevercouldabeenaflapper)
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:15 pm
Ha — I could have been a flapper in my teens and 20s but not now.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 4:30 pm
I was done as soon as I read “masculine and feminine energy”… I’ll
stick to fruits and proportions, lol.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 7:20 pm
+1, I am here for the fruit.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 2:55 pm
It is sort of like getting your colors done but for your shape. It
doesn’t focus on levels of formality of clothing or on your personality.
I am a “flamboyant gamine” but my personality is not at all flamboyant.
It is about silhouettes and visual principles that apply to all levels of
formality.
* anon
09/06/2023 at 3:31 pm
I think it’s a bit odd in that it somehow conflates body type with
personality. It is somewhat helpful in figuring out why some things
instinctively work/don’t work, but it’s not going to help you come up
with your own sense of style.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:58 pm
I don’t know about personality, but I guess I can see how someone’s
physical appearance and affect might correlate with what they can get
away with socially as a social persona, or even just how they are
perceived? Like how curvy and thin women, or short and tall women, are
sometimes perceived differently despite their best efforts.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:39 pm
“Dramatic classic”
I intuited that oversized blazers just overwhelm me (narrow shoulders, no
bust) and this sort of confirms that they are not worth even trying on.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:45 pm
I think that the 12-part colour seasons are genuinely helpful, and based
mostly on physics (light, colours and reflection ) with a dash of woo.
I think that Kibbe is entertaining, and partly helpful, but based mostly
on woo.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:12 pm
My personality and body resemble each other less and less with each
passing year.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 4:38 pm
Where does Kibbe say anything about personality? I took multiple
quizzes and they were all about physical attributes–the shape of your
shoulders, the size of your hands, etc.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 6:23 pm
Depends how far down the rabbit hole you go – there are personality
elements, descriptions of mannerisms, traits and behavior. You’ll
find descriptions like that a dramatic will be a natural leader, a
romantic sensitive and charming, a natural warm and open…. thing
like that.
* Anon
09/07/2023 at 5:36 pm
I’m a “natural” but in my soul I’m a romantic. When Melanie
Griffith says “I’ve got a head for business and a bod for sin,”
it’s the other way around for me.
* Anon at 3:45
09/06/2023 at 4:44 pm
Add on:
I think that taking proportions, build, shape, weight distribution,
face shape etc. is very useful, as is structure vs. flow, soft vs.
harsh, playful vs. simple. When I think mostly woo with Kibbe, that’s
because of on the link to personality and specific cultural ideals. I
think it’s fun, and I think having style icons and personal avatars is
very useful when considering personal style.
7. Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:42 pm
OOTD: I’m wearing a summer cotton dress. I’d usually never wear it to work
as I feel like the fabric reads casual. But it’s 2023, so IDGAF and wore it
because I wasn’t wearing it on weekends enough and missed wearing it. It’s
not crazy casual or inappropriate, but not workwear.
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* Explorette
09/06/2023 at 2:59 pm
Good for you! I think work wear is anything goes nowadays. My office’s
partners are frequently seen in hiking/golfing pants. I have absolutely
worn summer dresses to the office this year (plus sweaters because its
freezing).
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:02 pm
A few people in my office started wearing ruffle puff dresses and then
our leadership banned all dresses and we have to wear pants to work…
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:16 pm
!!!
Where do you work (geography and also type of industry)?
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:22 pm
Banned dresses? So Brooks Brothers or MMLF would not be permitted?
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:34 pm
Yup. My very work-appropriate Ann Taylor and J. Crew shift dresses
are now not allowed.
I’m very displeased.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:55 pm
That’s such a dumb way to handle dress code issues. Send an email
reminding people to check the handbook and then talk to the
“offenders” directly. If you ban an entire category of clothing you
might as well institute a uniform.
* anon
09/06/2023 at 3:33 pm
This style is fascinating to me because it’s not something I see
literally anywhere I go in my Midwest college town. Maybe a bridal
shower, on the youngest guests. It blows my mind that they’re so
popular elsewhere.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:43 pm
Also in a Midwest college town. I agree they’re not as dominant here
but I do see them and own a few. I’m a late 30s mom. (I’m defining
rufflepuff broadly, not just the Hill House nap dress which I
basically never see here.)
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:39 pm
How do you ban dresses?! Are you in the US?
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 5:48 pm
OMG this is the exact opposite of the NYC law firm I worked in during
the 80’s where women were not allowed to wear pants!
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:22 pm
I never in a million years would wear logo thong sandals (like the Gucci
or Tory Burch ones) to work b/c IMO they are just casual shoes, no
different than a $15 flip flop. And yet, that is 2023 office-wear. I
haven’t seen man-dals in a while, but I am regularly seeing midriffs and
shoulder-tie sundresses (I run too cold for that — need to hide my
heat-tech camis that I wear to stay warm).
Maybe a thread: what isn’t workwear?
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 5:23 pm
What a great idea for a thread. Hopefully Kat will take note and we can
finally cover that ground.
8. Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:44 pm
Homeowners – have you made the switch from gas to induction range? Did you
have to upgrade your electric?
How do you feel about the switch?
Backstory – my GE cafe gas range from 2008 has been an absolute workhorse
but the computer part of it went bad. So new range. I looked online at Wire
Cutter reviews for both, I’m aware of the Inflation Reduction credit for
switching to induction, but not sure we’d qualify, I called my electrician
(old house, we have a regular electrician!) and he can’t come do the wiring
for induction till early October. The range top currently works, not the
oven.
This would all be easier if I could just replace the gas range with another
gas range, and that is a consideration. WWYD?
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* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 2:51 pm
Gas. I like to be able to use the stove when the power is out.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:17 pm
Same (but my oven is electric so I don’t get the click click click of
it constantly re-lighting or whatever they do now which is hella
annoying if you WFH and your office is in the open-concept downstairs).
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:00 pm
I’m OP. My current range is gas cooktop, electric convection oven.
The perfect combination. I couldn’t use the oven if the power were
out anyway because it has touchscreen controls. I sorta don’t think
I’d want to be baking/roasting anything during a power outage anyway.
But yes, giving up the gas burners on top of the range would be a
bummer in a power outage. One point against induction.
* Chl
09/06/2023 at 3:28 pm
I’m curious if this is regional as power outages came up when I asked
about heat pumps. I can think of maybe twice in the past 10 years when
my power was out more than like 5 minutes. Does the power go out a lot
in other places?
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:31 pm
I’m in the north east and yes it does. Not infrequently for snow or
ice or big storms bringing down trees. Being able to boil water and
make tea and fill up a hot water bottle keeps the home habitable
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:37 pm
Way more than that for me! I grew up in a rural area, so it went out
a lot, sometimes for days. But now I live in a city that’s prone to
tornadoes and ice storms. Most people here have an outage every
couple of years that lasts at least a day.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:28 pm
I’m in a midsize southern city and do have a couple of long outages
per year. I cook down my freezer and minimize what I have in the
fridge/freezer during the summer because it happens reliably enough.
When the power goes out, I just use my camp stove or grill. I
wouldn’t base my purchasing decision for a range on this.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 5:13 pm
In large parts of California, deliberate power shutoffs have become
more frequent in the last couple of years, as a preventative measure
in high fire danger. It’s not something that I would take into
account for a stove purchase personally, but I did get a big battery
to keep my phone charged. Then again, obviously all that gas is also
a bad idea wherever you have earthquakes…
* Seventh Sister
09/06/2023 at 5:29 pm
In Southern CA, we’ve definitely had more power outages in the past
few years. Not specifically fire-related in my area, but the
infrastructure is old. It is nice to have it when the power is out,
but not a huge benefit. We’ve rarely had a power outage last for
more than a few hours.
We have a very “dumb” gas stove that I love and will keep until it
dies. No electronics, five burners, nice big oven. The
oh-so-progressive, ” let them eat Erewhon smoothies” set in my
neighborhood is all in for induction stoves, which seem nice enough
but I don’t feel like replacing a working stove is worth it unless
someone wants to buy me an induction stove.
* Anon
09/07/2023 at 10:49 am
Mine does, I live in a wooded area and our power lines are generally
not underground. My generator can’t power the heat pump, so I have a
wood burner for emergencies. I would prefer gas but we have no
service.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:52 pm
Just replace it with gas unless you really want induction (that’s what I
would do). If you have to go from 100 to 200 amps (or 200 to 400) just
for an oven/cooktop, that’s a big job for just this one appliance. OTOH,
you should probably be at 200 amps anyway so if you have 100, you may be
having other issues. My house is at 200 amps but we could not support
another major electric appliance. I guess in the future we might have to
go to 400 for a potential electric vehicle, but that time is not now.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:56 pm
It sounds like you’re not one of those Ride or Die gas cooktop people.
I’ve only had gas once, and it was nice, but I’m not enough of a stovetop
cooker to notice (I bake). Do the recent reports on particulates released
into the home by gas ranges sway you at all?
Our new home came with an induction cooktop and I like the novelty of
cooking with it. My only complaint, which I vented on the other induction
cooktop post the other week, is that it has a touchscreen to control
temp, which is dang obnoxious when cooking. I just want a dial rather
than mashing my finger repeatedly on a small plus or minus symbol, but
I’m old-fashioned and still like paper books, too.
Don’t forget with an induction you need certain pots and pans.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:10 pm
“Dang obnoxious” made me laugh. That was my husband’s comment when we
looked at the floor model induction range.
I have been a gas ride or die person forever, so I’m just trying to
figure out how much of a dinosaur I am at this point.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:18 pm
“Dang obnoxious” FTW. That is not what I want in an appliance (or
anything else).
* Cerulean
09/06/2023 at 3:28 pm
I love my induction stove, but yes, get the knobs, not the touchscreen
kind! We’re big on cooking and have been quite happy after two years
with induction. We have solar panels and are slowly replacing our gas
appliances with electric.
* Kitchen Reno
09/06/2023 at 4:45 pm
Rec for the kind with knobs?? I am searching desperately!
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 9:51 pm
The cheap ones have knobs. That’s what I just bought.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:51 pm
As a counterpoint, I love my induction touch top, with individual
timers for each pan, and loathe stove top dials – but I have a tiny
kitchen, I don’t have counter space to spare.
Love my dials, normally, but the individual timers are golden!
* Seventh Sister
09/06/2023 at 5:33 pm
I’d feel more concerned about the particulates if we didn’t have a
hood/vent above the stove, which we use often, and windows in the
kitchen that are open at all times.
* anon
09/06/2023 at 3:09 pm
I’m currently looking at ranges with induction cooktop/electric oven
combo and hope to replace my gas range soon. I’m pumped to make the
change as soon as I can, primarily for health reasons. There has been a
ton of academic research in the last few years on a) how much unhealthy
stuff gas ranges pump out and 2) how very unhealthy the stuff is. I
mitigate by using the exhaust hood, opening windows, and using an air
purifier, but that is annoying and not always practical.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:31 pm
Had both. Prefer induction. Get a European brand as they have been making
induction cooktops for like 20 years so they know what they are doing. I
have a Bosch. BIL has a gorgeous Miele.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 4:24 pm
Adding that we have a small backpacking camp stove and a kettle that we
can use if we lose power. Rare but not unheard of in our area. Not
worth the gas on a day to day basis for a situation that only comes up
every couple years.
* anon
09/06/2023 at 3:44 pm
We are in a similar boat (although our existing gas range is a Kenmore
from 2000!). We were planning to move to a mixed-fuel setup because I
really want an electric oven for the more even baking temps, and then I
realized that the gas stove was triggering some asthma for me, so we are
going to go to all electric and get an induction stove with an electric
oven. We will need upgraded electrical service for this, but we’re also
planning to move to heat pumps for our water heater (soon, probably, our
current one is even older than the stove) and for the dryer too
(hopefully not for a while).
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 4:01 pm
There’s nothing wrong with swapping gas for gas!
However, we just renovated the kitchen and did induction. I was troubled
by the air particulate data with gas. I live in California and all of the
wildfires and smoke have made me care a lot more about air quality. We
also have solar panels, so I was motivated to move as much as possible to
electric to maximize the value of the panels.
Our induction stove is a Miele and I’ve been happy with it, but it
definitely has a learning curve associated with it.
* anon
09/06/2023 at 4:25 pm
Have had all the range configurations over the last few years due to
moving and buying condos and cabins. Had a duel fuel Viking and LOVED it.
Bought a cabin with no gas (propane) hook up and decided to buy a low end
induction range (Frigidaire for $1200). To my surprise, I love it! New
condo didn’t have electric to support duel fuel, had to go with all gas,
bought a Blue Star for $4K+. I hate it! Don’t discount the difference
between baking with electric vs. gas. Maybe it’s just the Blue Star, but
baking with gas sucks. Go induction, both for the speed of
heating/cooling – love being able to move my big LeCreuset pots around on
the stovetop without potholders- better environmental impact and superior
baking with an electric oven.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 5:01 pm
Do you have kids? My parents have an induction stove and one of the
biggest selling points to me is safety – obviously you can still burn
yourself on a hot pan, but not on a hot stove. We don’t have kids yet
(currently pregnant) but would consider upgrading once they’re old enough
to be in the kitchen for this reason + air quality/environmental
benefits. My parents love their induction stove l, their main complaint
was having to buy new pots and pans.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 8:49 pm
Gas forever.
9. Elle
09/06/2023 at 2:50 pm
Would you invite your bosses family to your co-ed baby shower? I’m leaning
towards no, but I’ve never had a boss that worked in the same office as me
before (I’m at a satellite campus).
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* Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:55 pm
I would not!
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 2:56 pm
No way in heck.
I have some actual, real-life friends that I met at work that I invite to
these things (and also invite them over for dinner or for my annual
Christmas party or my wedding) but I’d never invite “work friends” or
anyone who supervises me to anything social (outside of a work social).
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:01 pm
Nope.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:16 pm
Some of my IRL friends started as work friends so they came to my
off-campus shower. But a couple of women I worked with insisted on
throwing me a work shower (which I didn’t want but it got to the point
that I would have had to be a b1tch to shut it down because they were so
excited) and fortunately that took care of inviting non-friend work
people. My boss was traveling but sent a gift, which was actually an
awesome gift and was so sweet.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:56 pm
I would not invite anyone that I report to or who reports to me to my
baby shower unless the shower was being thrown by my office.
10. Anon
09/06/2023 at 2:52 pm
I’m having (so far) minor health issues and it’s making me double down on
my resolve to only ever work places with separate sick leave and PTO. For
unrelated reasons, I had to take a job with a combined leave bank and
never, ever again. All of my PTO for the rest of the year is being used for
doctors appointments, tests, and procedures.
Our single bucket of leave (19 days) also expires at the end of the
calendar year; you cannot roll any days over or otherwise accumulate more
than 19 days. Aside from my medical issues, I haven’t been sick once this
year but yet I’m still using over 1/3 (I’m actually getting close to 1/2
now) of my days on medical issues. I’m “lucky” that my supervisor is being
“flexible” and allowing me to WFH on appointment days to save commuting
time. My job is 4 days /week in the office normally but my supervisor
actually is very understanding which I appreciate.
I’ve had 4 appointments with 3 providers in 3 different towns over 6 months
to get the go ahead on some testing I need to have done. Testing requires
sedation so that’s another 2 days of PTO I’ll lose (I need 2 tests on
separate days). Obviously the medical system is annoying (shouldn’t take
this many steps to get the test!) but honestly I wouldn’t mind it if I
wasn’t burning all of my PTO driving an hour for appointments (I live .5
miles from the largest hospital in my city, but of course couldn’t get any
appointments there).
I refuse to believe that a company without separate sick leave is a good
place to work or a place that cares about employees. I work at a F100
company that’s constantly rated highly as a “best place to work” but it’s
BS. I feel the same way about companies that skimp out on company holidays.
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* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:01 pm
Yeah I went from government (12 sick days a year, unlimited rollover) to
a job with one PTO bank and I am miserable. Ironically, in my 5 years in
government I only took 6 sick days (3 when I was sick, 3 when I had an
outpatient procedure and needed to recover). I also took an hour or two
of SL here and there for appointments a few times a year, but I don’t
remember how much that added up to (I guess enough to cover my annual
dentist, eye doctor, PCP, GYN, and derm appointments).
I switched jobs in 2022, then got COVID for my first (and so far only)
time in 2022 and burned 4 PTO days on having COVID, and then was able to
WFH for the remainder of quarantine (but I was miserable and didn’t feel
well the entire time) but then had to come back to the office immediately
after quarantine ended, even though I still was dealing with fatigue.
I took this job because we had to relocate for my husband’s work and this
is what I could find, but I definitely want to end back up in government
for several reasons, but sick leave is definitely one of them!
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:01 pm
Agree. I’ll lose two days for mammogram and colonoscopy and usually need
a second mammogram because I’m prone to cysts—and that’s before anything
found. I also think it encourages working with Covid and we should be
better.
Fwiw, I’ll also never work for anywhere with unlimited PTO again. All
that does is equate to even fewer days or feeling extra guilty because
there is always a work crisis competing and nothing is “owed”—not to
mention you leave with nothing.
Separate sock and vacation is the dream.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:05 pm
Yup there are a lot of bad things about higher ed but we have lots of
vacation time and nearly unlimited sick leave and those benefits will
keep me here foreverrrrr. I could never go back to combined leave at this
point. Parents of kids in daycare and people with chronic illnesses would
never get vacations!
* anon
09/06/2023 at 3:35 pm
Same. I’m sick of higher ed but the benefits have convinced me to stay.
I’ve looked elsewhere and I can’t match ’em.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:49 pm
I call it silver handcuffs. Not golden because they don’t pay us
enough for gold, lol.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:57 pm
C’mon, they’re plastic zip ties at best :) who can afford silver?
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:13 pm
Haha I like that even better!
* anon
09/06/2023 at 4:54 pm
LOL, love this.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:08 pm
Could having a separate bucket of time for medical appointments be an
accommodation?
* Anecdata
09/06/2023 at 4:11 pm
a company might agree to it, but legally (US), nope, precedent is that
letting you go to medically necessary appointments is a reasonable
accommodation companies have to find a way to let you do – but they
absolutely can require you to use up PTO first
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 5:51 pm
+1
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:09 pm
If you have a diagnosed medical issue, look into taking intermittent FMLA
leave. You should also consult state law as well. Then you could use paid
leave for doctor’s appointments and leave your PTO separate.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:11 pm
I thought FMLA was unpaid?
Unfortunately, still waiting for a diagnosis. And it’s like 50/50 if
there’ll be something to diagnose or not…
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:13 pm
FMLA leave isn’t paid and normally runs concurrent with PTO.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:36 pm
Aside from the issue of FMLA being unpaid, one of the things that
healthy people don’t understand is how difficult it is to deal with an
undiagnosed medical issue. I have a chronic illness/disability that
took years to be diagnosed correctly, and in the meantime it was really
difficult to even talk about with people, much less get disability or
FMLA accommodations. Until you have a diagnosis, you often don’t even
have the language to explain to people what’s going on, and half the
time you just feel like you’re just going crazy and imagining things.
The time before I was diagnosed was when I was sickest, because I
wasn’t being treated, but also least able to get any kind of
accommodation or even ask for sympathy or guidance from people without
a lot of skepticism. It’s permanently set my career onto a different
(worse) track in a way that I don’t think had to have happened if I’d
been able to get better treatment and accommodations faster.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:40 pm
I got FMLA for a chronic health issue before having a diagnosis. It’s
not impossible. It isn’t paid and often can’t be taken until
exhausting PTO though.
* Anonanon
09/06/2023 at 3:43 pm
could have written this myself, down to the letter.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:24 pm
+1
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:09 pm
I’m sorry. This is so frustrating. I hope you can telehealth some of the
follow ups to discuss results to save more time (if medically
appropriate).
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:12 pm
Yeah it’s annoying because every appointment up until now could have
been telehealth but that’s wasn’t available for various reasons… grrr
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:22 pm
I think not having separate sick leave should be illegal but I do not
make the laws, sadly.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:33 pm
I agree.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:28 pm
All of our systems are only established and work for people who are
healthy. The wheels fall off when you have any sort of chronic or acute
medical issue.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:02 pm
I absolutely loathe one-bucket PTO. I never took vacation because I
needed to accrue PTO in case of illness, and ironically enough, working
non stop is a great way to get sick.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:37 pm
I have a single bucket and hate it as a “lucky” person. I can avoid using
sick leave if I make up the billable hours another day that week. I’m not
a caregiver for kids or a sick family member. I can WFH if I’m contagious
but well enough to work. But the unpredictability means I lose a few PTO
days every year, unless last minute I can finagle an extra week off in
December.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 5:41 pm
Preach!!! I could have written this. It is absolutely unfair to people
with greater illness or family obligations.
* Anon
09/07/2023 at 6:14 am
I am very late, but wanted to chime in.
First, I am so sorry you are going through all of this. Health issues
alone are a lot to deal with. Getting them diagnosed and then figuring
out whether treatment is an option and if so what to try is another level
of stress that no one needs.
However, having been in the camp with separate vacation and sick leave
but now in a one-bucket system, I would not go back. When it was split, I
got one week of sick leave and anything more than that came from my
vacation time. Vacation time came with rules they said I had to request
it at least two weeks in advance. Having a toddler meant that my 5 sick
days were gone early on each year. Getting sick after they were used up
and not being able to read the future to know I had to put in for it two
weeks ahead meant a lot of going to work sick. And a lot of coworkers in
the same situation coming to work sick, so we shared with each other. Oh,
and if you didn’t use your sick days you got them paid out at the end of
the year, so there was always that one coworker who came in with the
plague so they could get their payout. People were punished for trying to
be responsible and rewarded for being a public health threat. That was a
vicious cycle.
Now I have one bucket of PTO with flexible rules. It is enough days –
with some rollover allowed – that I don’t have to gamble on whether I
will catch a fall cold when planning my summer vacation, and I don’t have
to time travel off I need a short-notice sick day.
I think the biggest issue is companies that don’t give their employees
enough time off, whether it is in one bucket or two, and put restrictions
on it that take away our agency in choosing how to use that time off.
* Anon
09/07/2023 at 7:56 am
The problem was that your former company had weird, rigid rules around
PTO. Two buckets is normally fine.
11. Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:04 pm
My grandmother passed this morning and I’m so sad. How do you all process
grief? I just want to hug her again.
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* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:36 pm
I’m so sorry for your loss.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:41 pm
I’m so sorry for your loss. It’s really, really hard.
For now, just let the grief wash over you, honestly. I’d take at least
some time off work. Cry when you feel like crying and don’t judge
yourself for feeling sad. It’s a sad time.
Feeling your feelings fully is really the only way through this. It
sounds crazy now, but a day will come when you realize you’re less
actively sad. You’ll always miss her, but the grief won’t feel so
emergent.
* anon
09/06/2023 at 3:47 pm
I am so sorry. I lost my grandmother a few months ago and it’s just
really really hard. I did a lot of journaling about how much she meant to
me, and what I missed about her, and my favorite memories. For me, that
was really helpful, as was just talking with family and telling funny
stories about her (like the time she had me drive her to the newstand so
she could buy Playboy to send to my cousin who was serving in
Afghanistan).
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:50 pm
I’m so sorry.
* loss
09/06/2023 at 5:33 pm
I think about them all the time, and even “talk” with them. It’s lovely.
Because they are so vivid in your memories this way. Otherwise, some
things fade too quickly, I find.
This is also a great time to write down some favorite memories/stories.
Sometimes I go back and re-read these “memories” and really love it.
It’s ok to be sad, and to cry. It really helps me.
I ask their friends/acquaintances to share favorite stories/memories with
me. Everyone feels better after doing this.
I’m so sorry to hear about your grandmother.
* Smokey
09/06/2023 at 5:44 pm
I’m so sorry for your loss. My husband and I are grandparents to two
beautiful grandsons. We are working hard to build a lasting relationship
with them both, with hopes (and sadness) that they will one day grieve
our passing. Your grandmother was lucky to have been so well loved by
you, her granddaughter.
* eertmeert
09/06/2023 at 5:45 pm
I am sorry for your loss.
A few things helped me following my dad’s death. Someone said that “Our
loved ones are only a thought away” and I used this all the time to keep
him close. I also tell him that he is always welcome to visit me in my
dreams, and when he does it is the best. I also look out for signs. I
know he sends them, because I’ve seen them before. Like, distinct, no way
this isn’t a special, particular sign to me from my dad. If I don’t see
them for awhile it’s because I wasn’t looking in the right direction at
the time. I have a reminder set in my daily calendar for thinking about
my dad. It’s just a little mental checkin. Sometimes just a second,
sometimes minutes to commune with his memory. I stay connected to his
presence in this way. It is a shitty second place to having him here, and
i don’t lie to myself about that. It’s better than nothing, and since he
isn’t here, it’s what I have. I treasure it.
The other thing I heard is that the loss we feel is love without a
destination. It is a particular care and warmth without the person there
to receive and reciprocate. It takes time to adjust to the loss, and it
is so painful to be bereft of their presence.
I forget which author, maybe Thich Nhat Hanh, who wrote about his grief
in losing his mother. After some time he realized that his mother is
present in him, in his very cells. I feel this with my father, and my
grandfather, and my uncle, my aunt, my grandmother, etc. They are all in
me.
These are realizations I came to over years. I got used to missing loved
ones, to not having them there to hug and answer questions and laugh
with. It is sad and hard and – as i said – not the same as having them
here, and definitely worse. But it’s unchangeable so I let the pain wash
through me and it got less intense with time. Never goes away, and
sometimes it pricks so hard.
Again, I am so sorry. I hope you get to hug her in your dreams.
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 6:02 pm
Thank you so so much <3
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 9:13 pm
I’m so sorry for your loss. Sadly, I have been there many, many times.
I’ve lost grandparents where it was expected any day and friends due to
freak accidents and illness. It’s absolutely horrible. My best advice to
get through it is to go easy on yourself. Grief takes time and
unfortunately there is no quick fix or way to really get over it. I have
learned it can take an entire year. You have to go through holidays and
birthday and other events. You will cry at random times when you least
expect it and that’s ok. Don’t be embarrassed or ashamed. It just takes
time.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 10:23 pm
I’m so sorry for your loss. Honor your grief. Know that the day will come
when you think of her with grief but also more with a sense of warm love.
Missing her will be sad but the warm memories will be larger than the
grief.
12. Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:05 pm
Anyone part of a book club in Los Angeles (or near there) that they enjoy?
I took up reading fiction again during the pandemic. I’m loving it, but
would like to continue reading in a more social way. I’ve tried looking
online, but a lot of groups near me seem to be defunct.
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* Cerulean
09/06/2023 at 3:38 pm
I’m not in LA, but check your library and local indie bookstore!
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:40 pm
I do a zoom book club with college friends. We’ve been going strong for 6
years and it’s a really fun way to chat regularly. We are 6 friends in 5
different states.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 5:22 pm
6 years is impressive? How often do you meet? Is it a fixed time or
does it have to get scheduled? How much do you all read in between
meetings? When life happens, do people skip meetings or attend without
having read the chapter? Do you use discussion prompts from the back of
the book or does conversation just flow?
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 5:25 pm
I mean it IS impressive! No question mark!
* Anony
09/06/2023 at 5:49 pm
I’ve been a member of two long-running book clubs. One is still going
after like 15 years although I unfortunately now live too far away to
make it more than a few times a year; one lasted about 5 before a
critical mass of members moved too far apart, and efforts to keep it
together on Zoom didn’t really work out. Both of them had a default
day (say, the third Wednesday of every month) but there was
flexibility to move it with a reasonable consensus. There would be
one book per month; members take turns hosting and the host picks the
book. Occasionally, either people skip or attend without reading
(that person might chat and catch up about life stuff in the
beginning but respect the space for the book discussion, and would
have to understand there would be spoilers if they were still
planning to read the book later). Neither really used the discussion
prompts in a formal way, although sometimes people might bring them
up; usually the host opens the discussion by saying an idea they have
about the book and it flows from there.
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 6:36 pm
I was once part of a book club that’s now in its eighth or ninth
year. At this point it’s a ship-of-Theseus situation bc I think
there’s only a couple “original” folks who still attend, but the
name and structure is the same. I see them post on FB.
* PolyD
09/06/2023 at 6:51 pm
I’m part of a book club that’s been meeting for over 20 years. People
have come and gone, and then come back again. Many of the people who
started it are still in it. I’m a little shocked to realize I’ve been
in it for 17 years.
We don’t have a set day, but try to pick the next meeting when we meet.
We’re also very chill about whether or not you read the book – the only
caveat is that there will probably be spoilers, so be prepared if you
haven’t read the book.
We meet about every 6 weeks and it’s nice to have to look forward to.
We met by Zoom a bunch of times in the depths of the pandemic, then met
outdoors when we could.
* books!!
09/06/2023 at 5:29 pm
Ripped Bodice in Culver City has book clubs, if you like romance! It’s a
great bookstore.
* anon
09/06/2023 at 6:17 pm
I was in one in LA for a long time, but it was through a very extroverted
friend and then eventually the group got very picky about adding people.
I would recommend asking friends if they know of one that has openings,
or alternatively, if you’re up for it, starting one yourself!
13. Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:08 pm
This suit is way too boxy looking.
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* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:42 pm
No way! A boxier look is in right now. I’m loving it.
14. Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:13 pm
Does filing a report with DOL Wage & Hour actually work most of the time?
Is there anything that will help make sure it’s effective? A friend of mine
who immigrated to the US last year is working for an employer that isn’t
paying him for all of the hours he works. I’ve told him to keep a
spreadsheet of his actual hours and document every time his boss asks him
to stay late. He’s looking for another job, but isn’t in a position to quit
without something else lined up. I’ve told my friend I’ll help him file a
DOL complaint when he’s ready. (As an aside, knowing all the details about
this situation, it is absolutely a company taking advantage of a desperate
new immigrant and it makes me SO MAD.)
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* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:23 pm
Start with the state department of labor!
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 3:33 pm
It’s a federal contractor and my friend is working on a federal
project, that’s why I was thinking federal. (Did I mention I’m furious
about this situation?)
* Anonymous
09/06/2023 at 3:27 pm
Yes, it works.
* KJ
09/06/2023 at 10:02 pm
It works. The laws are pretty clear cut and the enforcement agencies are
aggressive. He should plan on getting a new job anyways, though.
15. Kitchen Reno
09/06/2023 at 4:45 pm
Rec for the kind with knobs?? I am searching desperately!
16. Anon
09/06/2023 at 4:56 pm
Quick question because it’s been 20 years since I hired a sitter. Going
rate in the DMV?
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* Anon
09/06/2023 at 6:12 pm
Min $15/hour. More like $20/hour if experienced.
* anon
09/06/2023 at 7:33 pm
This seems really low. I made $15/hr as a college student and after as
a date night sitter in the DMV area, in 2007-2010.
Currently live in NC and pay college students $18/hr. More experienced
is 20+. I would expect DMV to be in the 20-25 range.
* Anan
09/06/2023 at 7:07 pm
Montgomery County and I pay $23/hr for my kids (11, 6, and 4). If it were
a high school sitter i would probably pay more like $20.
* ANON
09/06/2023 at 9:32 pm
$20 for one kid in NYC so guessing same
* Anon
09/06/2023 at 9:44 pm
When I was in eighth grade in the 1970s, the going rate was 50
cents/hour. I asked a couple families for $1/hour, and no one ever called
me again.
* OP
09/07/2023 at 5:01 am
Same.
* Anon
09/07/2023 at 6:21 am
My 1990s rates as a teenager in the Midwest were $1/hour/per kid, at my
mother’s suggestion. Found out later that my mother was woefully under
market rate, which explained why I was such a popular sitter.
* Anon
09/07/2023 at 8:10 am
The Babysitters Club girls used to run day camps for $5/kid/day – sure
wish I could find something like that now!
* OP
09/07/2023 at 5:03 am
Thanks all. This jives with what I was quoted. Just needed a gut check.
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