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CONVERSATIONS IN RENAL CELL CANCER Conversations in Renal Cell Cancer provides an in-depth look at novel treatments and new studies. Check in frequently for exclusive video interviews, Q&A’s and expert commentary on key issues facing clinicians today. VIDEO: BACTERIAL PRODUCT, CBM588, PLUS IMMUNOTHERAPY IMPROVES CLINICAL OUTCOMES IN METASTATIC RENAL CELL CARCINOMA 0 seconds of 4 minutes, 40 secondsVolume 90% Press shift question mark to access a list of keyboard shortcuts Keyboard ShortcutsEnabledDisabled Play/PauseSPACE Increase Volume↑ Decrease Volume↓ Seek Forward→ Seek Backward← Captions On/Offc Fullscreen/Exit Fullscreenf Mute/Unmutem Seek %0-9 Auto406p1080p720p406p270p180p Live 00:00 04:40 04:40 The bifidogenic live bacterial agent CBM588 when used in combination with nivolumab and ipilimumab, was shown to improve progression free survival and response rate in patients with metastatic renal cell carcinoma, according to results from a phase 1 study recently published in Nature Medicine. Sumanta Pal, MD, co-director of the kidney cancer program and medical oncologist at City of Hope, told MD /alert that the positive results from this phase 1 study will hopefully lead to further research on the role of the gut microbiome in cancer and how altering the microbiome can have synergistic effects with current therapies like immune checkpoint inhibitors. -- What motivated you and your colleagues to study CBM588 in combination with nivolumab and ipilimumab for patients with metastatic renal cell carcinoma? For a long time, I've been very interested in the role of the microbiome in affecting outcomes with immune therapy. This is really inspired by other groups that have shown associations between the composition of the gut microbiome and outcomes of immune based treatments. Recently, I've even been more interested in seeing how we could manipulate the microbiome to enhance outcomes. That's where CBM588 comes into play. This is actually a product that's widely available in Japan and marketed there for general bowel ailments. We decided to use it in our study, because it seems to have some bifidogenic properties, meaning that when it's ingested this live bacterial product deposits in the colon and actually elicits substances that seemed to really increase the rates of butyrate in the gut and thereby increase Bifidobacterium species. This is the mechanism by which we think it could potentially enhance outcomes with immunotherapy. Can you discuss how the phase 1 study was conducted and what the key findings were? We decided to conduct a randomized phase 1 trial. This is not a common design, but it's something you can do in a context of small trials, which are powered towards a biologic endpoint. The primary endpoint in our study was to examine whether or not we could actually increase the proportion of Bifidobacterium in the stool of patients who are receiving this live bacterial product. In fact, our study showed a pretty compelling trend towards increases in Bifidobacterium levels when you took CBM588. It didn't quite meet statistical significance, but we found what I thought was quite compelling is that responders seem to have increases in Bifidobacterium levels. The study was really intended to determine whether or not you could increase Bifidobacterium species within stool. What we thought was just really remarkable is that we saw amazing benefits in terms of clinical outcome, there was a more than two-fold increase in response rate in patients that got nivolumab and ipilimumab with CBM588, versus those that didn't get CBM588. We saw that there was a profound benefit in progression free survival nearly five-fold longer in terms of median progression free survival, and again this is a small study, so it warrants further validation. The signal here was very, very strong. We also have a lot of rich correlatives reported out in our Nature Medicine paper with a number of efforts that are dedicated towards understanding the rest of the microbiome beyond just Bifidobacterium and CBM588 itself. It really shows some compelling and convincing trends and changes for specific species within the gut. What are some next steps to continue this research? Beyond this trial, we really do need confirmation in larger numbers of this clinical effect that we saw with CBM588. We're working on that fairly aggressively. We're trying to put together proposals for phase 3 clinical trials that look at the same concept. I do think that ultimately, it will require vetting in larger studies to determine whether or not CBM588 has activity in this clinical context. What should your fellow clinicians take away from this study? I would take away from this that there is potential that we can really enhance the microbiome in patients to optimize the impact of immunotherapy. I'm hoping that this will really spur a body of research that investigates the use of light bacterial products in patients not just with kidney cancer, but a variety of immunogenic cancer types. -- Disclosures: Pal did not declare any financial ties to drugmakers. Any views expressed above are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect the views of MD /alert. This transcript was digitally generated and edited for clarity. Photo Credit: Getty Images Show MoreShow Less Contact About © 2022 /alert® unless otherwise noted. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Editorial Policy | Advertising Policy Do Not Sell My Personal Information