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NEVER BEFORE SEEN: OL’ DIRTY BASTARD RAW AND UNCUT INTERVIEW LYRICS

Genius and MTV have teamed up to bring you a new look into New York hip hop from
‘97 to ‘98. MTV has dug deep into their vaults and found three gems, each never
before seen in its entirety. As part of an ongoing project, MTV is looking to
the Genius community to add context and personal stories to these interviews
with some of the all time greats.

Here we have the first release in the ongoing collaboration between Genius and
MTV. Newly uncovered, this unedited 1997 interview shows Dirty in a rare light,
revealing struggles with family life and staying clean. Watch the ever
compelling ODB drop science like only he could and see why there was no father
to his style.

Interview by Josh Tyrangiel
_______________________________________________________

Interviewer: And, anytime you’re ready. So, Dirty, the reason that you’re here
today – we’ve heard a lot about changes that you have made in your life for the
past couple of months. Why don’t you kind of explain to me what’s going on?

Dirty: I don’t know man, just boy. Changes. Well, it’s like – you know, I don’t
know, something about the children, you know? You know it’s just – I can’t
really explain it but it’s all good though

Interviewer: Let me start with the kids. How many kids do you have and what
about the most recent child made you kind of stand up and take note?

Dirty: The kids – how many kids do I have? Well, all the kids in the world is
mine, so I can’t count how many kids I’ve got. All the children in the universe
is mine, everywhere, you know what I mean? But it’s just – hey, the kids love
Dirty, you know what I mean? Every time they see Dirty they smile, you know what
I mean? And that’s automatically made dirty smile, you know what I mean? Make me
want to get on my knees and play Lego blocks with them and everything, so it’s
all good

Interviewer: Well, let me ask you about this most recent child. I guess the most
recent, I guess is it a son, who was born to you? It’s your 13th child and from
what I was told that made you kind of stop and say, take a little stock of where
you are in your life and what you need to do for them. Is that true?

Dirty: Yeah, yeah, a little. Prince Osiris is here. And you know, it just like –
I just want the right things for them, you know what I mean? And then have them,
you know have they head on pointe, you know what I mean? And just want the best
for them, you know what I mean? Just like any parent want for their children

Interviewer: What’s your relationship like with your kids? I know what there are
a lot of them, but let’s say on a regular basis with most of your kids, are you
there are much as you can be? I mean, how does that work?

Dirty: I’m there as much as I can be, you know what I mean? I see them, I talk
to them on the regular. I mean, they crazy about their dad, there’s no doubt
about it, and their dad is crazy about them too. They all look like me, little
bad asses

Interviewer: How do you explain to them, when they call you ‘dad,’ how do you
explain to them who Ol’ Dirty Bastard is, who Osirus is. I mean, do you kind of
sit with them and explain things?

Dirty: No, I don’t explain. I mean, they’re my children, you know what I mean?
They know me as Dad, you know what mean? Ol’Dirty Bastard, that’s like a job –
you know what I mean? Osirus is like a job too, you know? It’s like, I don’t
know. I feel it, it feels me, so it’s all good

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Interviewer: I want to talk a little bit about this most recent incident, as it
were. You were arrested last week and there was a charge that you hadn’t paid a
fair amount of child support. Can you kind of tell me one, exactly what happened
and two, whether that’s true

Dirty: Well one, I was signing autographs and I got picked up by the cops. Two,
well, I love my – all my, I love my wife, yes, I love her dearly. Of course I
pay child support, you know what I mean? Why wouldn’t I, you know what I mean? I
love my children just being there as a family, you know what I mean? You know,
things just got to be dealt with, you know what I’m saying? They have to things
that I have got to deal with and that’s what got to be dealt with. And we will
deal with it. The creator will make sure everything is right

Interviewer: I mean, the amount that is in question they are saying is about
$35,000, which most people would I guess presume that rappers make a lot of
money and that $35,000 would not be – you know. Is it necessarily true that
you’re swimming in money as ODB and you can just pay things off left and right
and two, is that the correct amount of money? And what do you plan to do about
it?

Dirty: [inaudible - 00:04:42] you know, want to correct all situations, you know
what I mean? So you know, we keep it moving as love, you know what I mean? There
wasn’t nothing on my shoulder. And no, Dirty don’t have a lot of money, you know
what I mean? Dirty is so busy giving out things, you know what I mean? Money
don’t really mean nothing to me, but I’ve got to have it for the children of
course. That’s why I’m getting this together, you know what I mean? So I don’t
have to be hearing this and hearing that and things of that nature. I know times
is hard and I know we’ve all got problems, but I don’t know, man. I just love
all, man, you know what I mean? I will leave it in the hands of the creator,
like I said

Interviewer: Your wife has said that she wants to kind of divorce you and kind
of move on after this incident. Is that something that you hope you can work
out?

Dirty: Of course, of course. I mean, we have been together for so long and you
know, divorce, that’s like – that’s like, you know on Sunday when Moses departed
the Red Sea, you know what I mean? But it had to come back together again, you
know? And it had to stay together, you know what I mean? Can’t no problems can
be so bad that things can’t be still good, you know what I mean? I’ve just got
to make it better, you know?

Interviewer: How long have you guys been together?

Dirty: About 13 – yeah. I love the girl, man. Well, I love her to death, true

Interviewer: You said before that you’re trying to get this thing together.
You’ve had problems in the past with alcohol and drugs. At what point did you
realize that you can’t do that anymore?

Dirty: When I heard really that Otis Redding had crashed into that sea. That’s
my main man, nah, just bullshitting. It was just – you know what I’m saying, I
ain’t gonna say that, you know, it’s just – I learned that it’s not the move,
you know what I mean? That ain’t the move where it’s time to have a straight
point, straight ahead. You know what I mean? We’re doing things because that’s
like that’s life, it’s serious. You know what I mean? You ain’t here, you don’t
which way...what will..but loose. You know? So I know I’ve got to be here. And
as far as all that alcohol and drug stuff, I advise ya’ll not to mess with it.
And you hear from Dirty, take it as is. I ain’t saying – I’m just giving advice,
that’s all. Like I give myself that same advice

Interviewer: Was there anyone who took you aside at any point and said Dirty,
you’ve got to straighten out – one, for yourself, two, for the group, three for
your family? Or did this just kind of come to you, you know, alone?

Dirty: It came to me alone, really. Because it’s me that make it happen, you
know what I mean? I mean, people can give advice, you know, all your lives – you
know what I mean? But it’s really up to you to make things happen and change.
And for those who does do it and they don’t want to stop, that’s not how you do
it, you know what I mean? Don’t let things control your mind, word. Word

Interviewer: You said that it’s not going to be 100%, you can’t commit to
quitting



Dirty: Nah, put it this way man. I ain’t going to lie, because I ain’t no liar.
When I’m onstage, something about that red wine, man. You know, it just bring
the brilliance. I mean. But I ain’t doing it in a while, though, that’s what’s
bugging me the hell out, you know what I mean? I ain’t one to lie, man, you
know? I mean, we all do our things and everything, you know what I mean? Ya’ll
know me for being raw, so I gotta keep it raw. If I’m onstage and it’s a good
show and a lot of people I might take a sip or two, you know what I mean? That’s
what brings the energy, you know? But then again, I might not. You know what I
mean? I didn’t yet, so that’s something that I feel that I’m going to keep up,
word. Keep that inside, you know what I mean? Nah, matter of fact, I’m not –
that’s the move. Leave that alcohol alone, that’s the move, word

Interviewer: How long has this been going on? How long have you been sober?

Dirty: For about two months now, yeah

Interviewer: What’s been the effect? I mean, as far as your relationship with
your kids and your family, I am sure they have noticed a difference in you

Dirty: Yeah, it’s like – it got closer, you know, being that I do a lot of
touring and things of that nature. Wifey want to be around me, you know what I
mean? And I understand that. But you know, I have got a job to do also. And
being that I have got a job to do, sometimes that implants thoughts, you know
what I mean? And it’s all natural, you know what I mean? For thoughts to be
implanted, you know. I love you, girl. Keep that in mind, you know what I’m
saying? And whatever you do, I’m always going to love you, regardless. So it’s
like that

Interviewer: How is this change going to affect what you’re doing musically? I
mean, a lot of people expect a certain thing of ODB at this point. You have been
around a couple of years. How is it going to change your focus and how is it
going to change what we’re going to hear?

Dirty: It’s going to keep my thoughts together, that’s one. You know what I
mean? It’s like this – being, for me being sober, it reminds me when I was a kid
again. You know what I mean? Being able to have a clear mind, that’s all, you
know what I mean? To me, I ain’t going, you know what I’m saying – hold on, that
shit’s weird though, because I really did nothing like this before. God is good,
God is definitely good. Word. He definitely good, man, he got it going on baby
love

Interviewer: Talking about being a kid – do you remember your first experience
with alcohol – I mean, how old were you and where were you and who introduced
you to things?

Dirty: I don’t remember but it was there. And I drunk it and you know, at that
time it was there. You know what I mean? It’s not there no more. It’s not there
no more

Interviewer: Tell me about the next solo album stuff, what you’re working on,
what it’s going to sound like, how the new you is going to be reflected in that

Dirty: I want a lot of rock and roll artists on it. I don’t know who, how, other
than I like a couple, several. I ain’t going to name no names because I don’t
want, you know – but I like the rock and roll. My album is going to be called
Dirty’s World, I believe. I want to cover several artists on there, Mariah, for
one – that’s my sweetheart, word. And you know, a couple of artists. Basically,
I don’t know what’s going to happen. You know what I’m saying? I’m just happy to
be here, you know what I mean? It’s came to a little change and it’s all good. I
just gotta keep it up, you know what I mean? I ain’t here to throw no punches or
nothing like that, just got to keep it up, that’s all. Keep a clear mind and
keep it moving, that’s basically it. You know what I mean?

Interviewer: How have the guys in the Clan responded to you? I mean, have you
gone and spoke to them about you’re making some changes in your life?

Dirty: No, I don’t really speak too much nowadays, you know what I’m saying?
Basically, I ain’t really trying to talk on the results, you know what I mean? I
just want to show and prove it, you know what I mean? Right now, the Clan, I
don’t know. Well check it out, Dirty is here, Dirty is here to stay, word. And
we are going to make these albums and we are going to get this money and we are
going to take care of these kids and all my children across the universe. I love
you all, keep it up, keep it good, keep it in school. Keep it high levels. Low
levels, keep it inside. And the women, I love ya’ll, ya’ll got it going on. All
my niggas, I love ya’ll, gotta keep it moving. And I love you, mama, I love you
dearly. You definitely got it going on, word. Definitely, word. Thanks for
bringing me here, word



Interviewer: Dirty, let me ask you a little bit more about Wu Tang. When the
tour was going on with Rage Against the Machine, RZA was say-, when it got
called off, RZA was basically saying that he was upset that a lot of the guys in
the group didn’t make all the dates. And although he didn’t mention you by name,
it was pretty clear who he was talking about. Has that been sorted out at all?

Dirty: Yeah, I was going through – me personally, I ain’t going to lie. I was
there, I was there, and I was there. You know, but I know that my clan needs me.
They need me like I need them, you know what I mean? The world needs me, period,
word, because I need the world. You know what I mean? And I know that because I
have got a lot of love for everything. And when you have got a lot of love for
everything, love is needed. You can kind of like teach a lot of people that
don’t see certain things, you know what I mean? Instead of bad, it’s all good,
you know what I mean? It will come in time, though, but basically, I ain’t
really a talker. I’m just happy to be here, baby. You know what I mean? I ain’t
even a talker, man. I talk too much. Who knows what’s gonna happen

Interviewer: Who tells you that you talk too much?

Dirty: Well look, man, it’s like this – nobody will tell me nothing, it’s just
you can feel when you’re talking too much. You know what I mean? It’s just, oh
boy. Nigga please. All this can’t camera stuff, I ain’t really used to this
stuff. I’m used to it but then again I ain’t used to it. I’m used to being
myself, natural. Laid back and being all stiff all the damn time, you know? Just
ask me some more questions, man

Interviewer: Is it hard for you to believe, four or five years ago your life was
100% different than it is now. Is it hard for you to believe that you’re sitting
here talking to MTV. Does it still come over you sometimes that you’ve come a
long way?

Dirty: Yeah, word

Interviewer: What do you feel at those times?

Dirty: Well, it’s just like I see things more clearly now, you know? I mean, I
always saw things in weird ways, it’s just a little clearer now. It’s more tight
now, you know? Everybody don’t understand what I’m talking about, just talking
about life itself, you know? I ain’t trying to make no statements on TV, man.
All the children belong to me, man. Some say 13, some say – I ain’t, look, hey –
you know what I mean, all the children belong to me, for real. It ain’t no lie,
I love all. Sometimes bad things happen, you know? For the bad things, sorry
about them. You know, I guess that what occurs when you lazy, you know? That’s
why that change occurs and shit

Interviewer: A lot of people would say you have got 13 kids, what about birth
control? Are you going to maybe start using condoms or is that not -

Dirty: I use condoms. Oh man, oh baby I like it raw. Yeah, condoms – yeah, I use
condoms, yeah. Birth control, yes, birth control. Birth control. Yes, ladies and
gentlemen, birth control. Do some birth control. Look, Dirty, yeah, birth
control. Man, I was just speaking about birth control. Look, I love you all.
Birth control. I love you all and birth control is good and if you don’t want to
have no babies like that and you don’t want to run into them problems, boy – I
mean, babies all over the universe. Boy, if you don’t want to run into no
problems, you better listen to that TV, baby. That’s real. Oh boy, you better
listen

Interviewer: So are you going to start taking some of that advice yourself?

Dirty: Well, of course. Man, of course. I was just thinking, man, I be having
nightmares and everything, they’re coming to get me. And just avoid all future,
all future stuff, you know what I mean? I just want to let ya’ll know, like I
said before, I love ya’ll man. [Inaudible - 00:19:59], all right? For real.
Because ya’ll the only ones I’ve got. I don’t got nobody else, anybody. A lot of
people care, but you know – we are all we got, for real. You know what I mean?
Word

Interviewer: You’ve got a lot of people. I mean, I’ve seen you at shows, I’ve
seen you at shows that weren’t your own and you come in and basically hip hop
fans give you more love, I would say, than most other artists. Because they feel
like they know you, they feel like they can relate to you in some ways. Do you
feel like you’ve got any sort of burden towards them, fulfilling their
expectations of how you’re going to change and how your new life is going to go
on? Do you feel like you want to talk to them at all about those things?

Dirty: I see it like this. It’s a new world order, you know what I mean? And one
must adapt to that, you know? Or the penalty is the penalty, for real. I mean,
I’m trying my best to adapt to all things, you know what I mean? It ain’t
nothing like yeah, it’s new, word. And I advise that for anybody, you know?
Control your emotions, you know? Because oh, it cause a lot of off-balance and
things are not supposed to be always balanced, so it can spin you know what I
mean? And I don’t know man, I just say that, man, word. But if anybody ever need
my thoughts, ya'll know how to catch me. What’s my 1-900 line? Well next time
when I come on ya’ll see my 900 line. Just go look in the Wu-Tang album cover,
you will see my 1-900 line. Call me up, I will change the message too, so we can
conversate more. Children, I love ya’ll, all right? Keep your head up

Interviewer: Tell me a little bit more about Mariah, your relationship with her?
I have heard that has kind of grown a little bit over the last couple of years

Dirty: That’s my heartbeat. My sugar plum, word. One of the sweetest women I
have met. I have met a lot of sweet women, well, my mama is the sweetest woman I
ever met, and my grandmamma too, and a couple other women too. But Mariah got
especially genuine, she ain’t got to say nothing, love. You know what I mean?
She’s got like a glow, a weird glow. I can’t really explain it, you know? She’s
just straight up beautiful, word. I mean, it’s shown and proved by all the fans
she got, you know what I mean? See me, I’m a big fan of Mariah, word. Doing
something with her, I always want to do some backup with her, when I was young I
love Mariah. I mean not young, you know what I mean, before I was out. She just
beautiful, you know. She keeps it real. She does what she feel at heart. And
usually people when they do what they feel at heart, you’ve got good and bad in
the situation. It means everything that she do is good, so I know she is a
naturally good woman

Interviewer: And if you wanted to do something with her, she would be there for
you? If you wanted to give her a call, she is always there for you?

Dirty: I hope so. Word. I believe so. I believe so, yes, of course

Interviewer: We have talked a little bit about your image, the one that has gone
out about ODB over the past four or five years, and it’s a certain image that
people have gotten used to. Do you have any desire to change that image as a
result of your own life changes or do you think you are comfortable with the way
that is?

Dirty: You love Dirty as Dirty, Dirty is Dirt Dog. How you see him is how you
gonna get him. This is Dirty, baby. Shimmy-shimmy-ya, Brooklyn Zoo, The Stomp,
approach a school 9:30, you’re late. Everybody go Dirt Dog, all that, that’s me,
straight up – I can’t change that. That’s me, that’s going me – what started
from that future, you know what I mean? Other than the bad parts. There wasn’t
really no bad parts, though, other than people tearing down the clubs and stuff.
I ain’t gonna tear down no more clubs, all right? Leave you bouncers alone
because I love ya’ll anyway. I’m gonna be Dirty, word

Interviewer: Tell me what an average day is like now, as it was earlier this
year, or something like that. Tell me what you do during an average day?

Dirty: I try to take care of more business now, you know? No more sleepy head.
It’s all good

Interviewer: I mean, like what time do you get – I’m talking specific, because
you know kind of want to know what your life is like. What time you get up,
things like that?

Dirty: My life is your life, you know? I get up, I use the toilet bowl,
sometimes I eat, sometimes I don’t. I love women. I love seeing people, I love
seeing people happy. I don’t really know man, I’m me. I mean I don’t predict
things. It comes natural where I get up and I’m happy, see? I’m happy, all
right? And that’s about it. I can’t really tell you how Dirt Dog it is, it’s too
exquisite. There’s nothing that you can just pinpoint, you know what I mean?
It’s here, it’s there, it’s there, it’s everywhere, you know what I mean? So
that’s all basically it, from the dirt in the air that you breathe

Interviewer: How far along are the plans for your next solo album? As far is
somebody on the project as a producer, is RZA going to produce it? Have you
started writing things?

Dirty: Yeah, RZA, Dirt Dog, we are going to try to get Dr. Dre. That’s my man,
you got it going on, dunn for real, word is bond. Oh, Puffy, you ill too. Word.
I want to give you props, [Puff 00:26:29], you’ve got it going on man. At first
man, but now, man, you’ve got it going on. I’ve got to give you all your props,
man. You got a standard, baby, keep it up. Whoever it is that got banging
tracks, you know what I mean? Ain’t all looking pretty in the videos, ain’t all
like – you know what I mean? Because everybody looking all pretty in the videos
nowadays, you know what I mean? Dirty is going to bring back that light that you
been missing, straight up, that – you know, the real stuff, that when you get up
in the morning that’s how it is. Sometimes you wash up, sometimes you don’t, you
know what I mean? You go outside, you know, there is nothing planned what
Dirty’s going to do. Dirty’s going to do, you know, the regular thing – straight
up man. I mean, I’m going to have a lot of producers, so I ain’t try to pick –
whoever got the bangingest tracks, that’s who I’m using, word

Interviewer: When do you think this will be out?

Dirty: I’m going to try to have it out by spring

Interviewer: And are you writing lyrics right now or are you just going to wait
until everything comes together?

Dirty: Oh, I’m planning on taking me a little day – you know what I mean? Like
now getting off and just go and sit down, just vibe for about a month and just
write, because I’ve got a lot of chambers full for ya’ll. Ya’ll don’t know
nothing yet. Ya’ll think all this music out here now is it? Watch when you hear
mine. For real, ya’ll going to like my album, I know ya’ll is. Because it’s
going to attract the grandmothers, the great-grandmothers, the babies in the
stomachs going to be kicking. You know, we might get a couple of UFO sightings
here, you know what I mean? You never know, right in New York. You never know,
messing around with my new album. Hey, Dirty ain’t cursing or nothing. So ya’ll
see it’s good, you know what I mean? I ain’t gonna lie, [inaudible - 00:28:40],
you know, but – you’re gonna see. I ain’t bragging or nothing, you’ll see. For
those who like it, love it, for those who don’t, love it, all right?

Interviewer: As far as the album and projecting into your future, with the kids
you’ve got to support, with the life you want to lead, you obviously want this
album to have a certain level of success. So beyond the recording, are there any
other plans as far as the publicity, how you’re going to kind of create a buzz
around this album?

Dirty: I want to get to all, a little Western, country, jazz, rock and roll,
heavy metal. My brother, he’s got a band out called Funk Face, so we’ll be
teaming up real soon anyway. He is strictly like heavy metal, rock and roll? You
know what I mean? I want to catch everybody. I already got all the hip hop fans.
Hip hop belongs to me, you know what I mean? And that ain’t no lie. Because I
let it all out, you know what I mean? So now it’s time to go into rock and roll.
It’s time to go into whatever it is to go into, you know what I mean? One thing
about Dirty’s world, Dirty can go into any chamber of 36 chambers, you know? And
all will love it because I want to touch everybody. I want to touch everybody
and that’s basically it. That’s basically it, word

Interviewer: Let me ask you a couple of questions about some other things that
we’re working on. I know that you did a remix with a group called Texas,
recently. Is that right?

Dirty: Me?

Interviewer: Yeah, supposably

Dirty: Texas? Got me

Interviewer: No, all right. Let me ask you about – Thanksgiving is coming up and
we’re doing a Beavis and Butthead Thanksgiving special. Just curious what
Thanksgiving means to you?

Dirty: Thanks for giving

Interviewer: How do you celebrate the holiday? With your family, at home?

Dirty: Well, me and RZA, when we was young we used to just go to everybody’s
house and eat. You know, we travel from this house to we eat at this house, we
eat and leave. Then we go to this house, we go to this house, and we go to this
house, you know. Thanksgiving is a food day, man. You know what I mean, you eat
a lot of food and everybody is happy. They are cooking together, it’s all good.
It’s like one of them Christmas days, you know what I mean? Look, man, before I
used to be all personal about things and man, that ain’t nothing like life,
straight up. You know what I mean? We ain’t here just enjoying it, you know what
I mean? People be so biased about how people are living, what people are doing –
who cares what people are doing? People don’t understand what love is, you know
what I mean? I ain’t being funny or nothing, but to me love is, you know, all
right – you got lesbians, you faggots, whatever. You got, you know, me and a
woman, you got whatever, whatever. To me love is all of that, you know what I
mean? And people have got to start learning how to respect people as they is,
you know what I’m saying? That’s how I see things, man. I mean, I ain’t into all
that, but yo what, that’s there. What the fuck you gonna do – excuse me, my
language, but what the hell you going to do about it? You can’t change that.
Lord God made that, you know what I mean? So love is universal, man. You can’t
stop nothing, you know what I mean? Ya’ll do what ya’ll do, you know what I
mean? That’s all I will say. Enjoy your lives man, man. Word, word is mine.
Enjoy your lives, you know what I mean? I love all, you know what I mean? To me,
I’m a Dirty white boy. Cut my skin one of the first things you see is white
meat, and you see blood, so it’s all good

Interviewer: That’s good, yeah

Male: We done? That’s it. All right

[End of Audio 00:33:22]

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Dirty met Icelene when they were teenagers. She told me, “Me and Unique used to
race each other through the streets. We liked to race, and run, and jump
double-dutch. He played skelly. He’d walk around with his boom box, battle other
rappers. We were sixteen years old, running around, having a good old time."

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