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G60 STILL SHROUDED IN SECRECY JUST THREE MONTHS BEFORE ITS RELEASE
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PSYCHDOC1
Discussion Starter · Apr 15, 2023
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The brand new E-class will be introduced to the automotive world on April 25th
beating BMW to the punch.
I'll be cross shopping the 2024 5 series and the E-class so I'm eagerly
anticipating the introduction of both. Shocked that we're hearing nothing but
crickets from BMW re: the new 5 series.
2024 MERCEDES E-CLASS TO DEBUT ON APRIL 25, BEFORE THE BMW 5 SERIES G60
Arriving before the BMW 5 Series Sedan G60, the new Mercedes E-Class Sedan will
receive its digital world premiere on April 25.
www.bmwblog.com
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MARKL53
· #61 · May 19, 2023
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> LogicalApex said:
> I enjoy the 4-banger in the 530e when assisted by the HV motor to drop out
> turbo lag that you normally get on a 530i.
>
> But I hear you, it isn’t for everyone.
>
> The 540i and above have too poor MPG for me, personally. Although, I know I’m
> atypical for here obsessed with that aspect of things.
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Couple things! First, I've never driven a 530i or 530e, although maybe I had a
4-cylinder F10 as a loaner once a few years ago. Meaning, I can only go by my
experience with our '22 330ix. And when we first got that car for my wife, I
noted that it was very good, the power was reasonable with good response, and
certainly relieved my eventual annoyance with her previous Alfa Romeo Giulia.
Second, though I'm no "hot rodder" , I like a car with "sufficient" power and
excellent response. So all my BMW's, '05 and '08 3-series, '11, '14, '18, '22
5's have been 6-cylinder models (the larger 6's on the 3-series). I've been
driving since 1970, so that gives an indication of my age! My first car was a
'70 Dodge Challenger 340-V8, that was a bit of a hotrod. I'm just saying, I do
my part for energy savings, especially in our house, having spent at least $20K
replacing windows and doors, switching out to LED bulbs long ago, etc., etc. For
my car, I don't go crazy with worrying about gas mileage. We did get 40 mpg on a
recent trip to NY in the 330i, and I've gotten high 30's with the 540i, so they
aren't really gas guzzlers. Who knows what cars will offer in the next 5-6 years
as we transition to some new energy source, be it electric or something else. I
hope I can still get an I6 in my next 5-series, I'm not quite ready to go
electric. Just saying that overall, while the 330ix has "decent" power, it is
nowhere near the smooth and much more powerful 540i and I wouldn't be super
happy driving the smaller engine every day.
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· #62 · May 19, 2023
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> markl53 said:
> Couple things! First, I've never driven a 530i or 530e, although maybe I had a
> 4-cylinder F10 as a loaner once a few years ago. Meaning, I can only go by my
> experience with our '22 330ix. And when we first got that car for my wife, I
> noted that it was very good, the power was reasonable with good response, and
> certainly relieved my eventual annoyance with her previous Alfa Romeo Giulia.
> Second, though I'm no "hot rodder" , I like a car with "sufficient" power and
> excellent response. So all my BMW's, '05 and '08 3-series, '11, '14, '18, '22
> 5's have been 6-cylinder models (the larger 6's on the 3-series). I've been
> driving since 1970, so that gives an indication of my age! My first car was a
> '70 Dodge Challenger 340-V8, that was a bit of a hotrod. I'm just saying, I do
> my part for energy savings, especially in our house, having spent at least
> $20K replacing windows and doors, switching out to LED bulbs long ago, etc.,
> etc. For my car, I don't go crazy with worrying about gas mileage. We did get
> 40 mpg on a recent trip to NY in the 330i, and I've gotten high 30's with the
> 540i, so they aren't really gas guzzlers. Who knows what cars will offer in
> the next 5-6 years as we transition to some new energy source, be it electric
> or something else. I hope I can still get an I6 in my next 5-series, I'm not
> quite ready to go electric. Just saying that overall, while the 330ix has
> "decent" power, it is nowhere near the smooth and much more powerful 540i and
> I wouldn't be super happy driving the smaller engine every day.
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That makes sense!
My driving history is MUCH shorter. My first car was a '14 Mercedes C300 w/ a
V6. It drove well and had a nice amount of power. I definitely enjoyed it.
My 530e has enough power and I'm not left feeling like I need more. That said,
when I drove the 530i I did feel the need for its turbo to spool up before it
felt decent enough. I don't recall if I drove the 540i at this point, but likely
not. Although it packed a lot of power I wasn't excited about its fuel economy.
I would have considered it if BMW offered the 545e in the US at the time (I6 w/
HV motor) though.
I usually exceed 60 mpg in my 530e so 40s wouldn't excite me much.
My next car will be a fully electric vehicle (already ordered a fully electric
one for my wife). There are a lot of things I really love about that side of
things.
That said, I get that we're all optimizing uniquely. No judgment here!
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· #63 · May 20, 2023
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MPG, fuel economy, is a bad metric. The more relevant one is fuel consumption
(typically reported in gallons/100 miles or liters/100km). MPG makes a
12-cylinder Ferrari and a Prius both seem better than they really are.
Increasing MPG, as some point, makes minimal difference in the actual amount of
fuel used. Going from 20 MPG to 40 MPG saves a lot more fuel than going from 40
MPG to 60 MPG.
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· #64 · May 20, 2023
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> Autoputzer said:
> MPG, fuel economy, is a bad metric. The more relevant one is fuel consumption
> (typically reported in gallons/100 miles or liters/100km). MPG makes a
> 12-cylinder Ferrari and a Prius both seem better than they really are.
>
> Increasing MPG, as some point, makes minimal difference in the actual amount
> of fuel used. Going from 20 MPG to 40 MPG saves a lot more fuel than going
> from 40 MPG to 60 MPG.
>
> View attachment 1091205
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It is a tricky one to unpack for sure. For a 540i vs a 530e the 540i will get
decent fuel economy on the highway, but it will get pretty strained in city
driving. Where it’s fuel economy will drop to the teens. The 530e is able to use
EV for that to cut fuel out entirely.
That‘s what I mean that the 40s it can get in its best conditions wouldn’t
excite me much. As the 530e exceeds that on its worst case.
But fuel economy isn’t the goal of everyone. And that’s OK too.
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· #65 · May 20, 2023
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If fuel economy is your goal, why not a Honda Civic? I got 50mpg twice with the
'92 we had. There are many FWD appliances that get excellent fuel economy.
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> ezaircon4jc said:
> If fuel economy is your goal, why not a Honda Civic? I got 50mpg twice with
> the '92 we had. There are many FWD appliances that get excellent fuel economy.
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Same reason that BMW makes the 5-Series in a variety of power plant
configurations. The pool of buyers optimize in various ways.
I enjoy how the BMW drives and love the complete package. It isn‘t as fuel
efficient as a Prius Prime, for instance, but not as boring to drive. Nor as
back breaking on a 5 hour drive. But the efficiency loss isn’t very much either.
I am closely watching what BMW does with the i5 G60 to help me decide if I
should snag it when it get to its LCI and hopefully the inflated market prices
cool off a bit.
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· #67 · May 21, 2023 (Edited)
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A good way to decide how which engine you "need" is to pull up the Sport Display
(virtual torque and power gauges) on the iDrive during test drives. Turbocharged
BMW engines produce their maximum torque from about 1500 RPIM to about 6000 RPM.
Torque is what causes acceleration. Power is the ability to produce torque at
speed.
Additionally, a conventional automatic transmission, with a torque converter,
will amplify the torque produced by the engine as it is transferred to the
transmission when there is slip (engine speed greater than transmission input
shaft speed).
In my typical "hyper-mile-ing" driving style, I rarely see 80 lb-ft of engine
torque on my Sport Display.l
I hit Hardee's for a bacon, egg, and cheese biscuit a few times a week. I go
before 6 a.m., avoiding traffic. I take the beachfront road on my 12-mile round
trip, where the speed limit is 35 MPH. This morning, I got a displayed 29.9 MPG
in my 535i. In Frau Putzer's X3 xDrive 30i, I can often break 35 MPG. In a 330i
or 530i, RWD and 300 to 500 pounds lighter the X3, I could probably break 40
MPG.
The average per capita gasoline usage in the US is 1.15 gallons/day. Last year,
the Putzer household's usage was 0.77 gallons/(person-day). We're at about 0.80
gallons/(person-day) so far in 2023. Back in 2006, with a long-distance commute
(56 miles/day), a lot of business travel by car, and less fuel-efficient cars
(Accord V6, M3), we were at 2.0 gallons/(person-day), 1.6 gallons/(person-day)
excluding business travel.
If BMW would offer a spare tire (and a hole under the trunk to put it), I'd
consider a 330e or 530e. But, that spare tire and storage hole are critical
requirements for me.
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· #68 · May 22, 2023 (Edited)
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I was too lazy-tired to hit the grocery store yesterday, so I hit Hardee's again
this morning, driving the X3. My almost-twelve-mile run yielded 36.6 MPG. I was
a little over 37 MPG before entering Bubba Estates.
My gas pump (actual) MPG is ranging about 0.5% to about 1.5% higher than the
displayed MPG. My regular Chevron was out of 93 AKI about a month ago, so I
tried another one near the Bubbaville sewage treatment plant. That station's
Pump #5 seems to be dispensing about 1% larger "gallons" than my usual gas pump.
They're also charging only $0.67/gallon more for 93 AKI over 87 AKI. It took two
consecutive fill-ups at that pump to get a good estimate of the "correction
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· #69 · May 22, 2023
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I drove the Frau Putzer's X3 over to Bubbaville and back today, 33 miles total.
The peak torque I saw on the Sport Display was 160 lb-ft. A B46 has a maximum
torque of about 240 lb-ft. My trip was between 2 p.m. and 4 p.m., so traffic was
heavy. My displayed MPG as 30.1.
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Official pictures of the G60 are up on BMWUSA.com
BMW 5 Series | BMW USA
I'm really bummed if that unpainted plastic cladding along the bottom makes it
to the US. Maybe the M Sport Package will get rid of that, like on the SUVs.
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Discussion Starter · #71 · May 24, 2023
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> Autoputzer said:
> Official pictures of the G60 are up on BMWUSA.com
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> BMW 5 Series | BMW USA
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> I'm really bummed if that unpainted plastic cladding along the bottom makes it
> to the US. Maybe the M Sport Package will get rid of that, like on the SUVs.
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Not a fan at all. Can't decide whether I hate the rear treatment or the front
end/light treatment more. And, from the side it looks blander than bland. I see
an E class in my future. What a disappointment.
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· #72 · May 24, 2023 (Edited)
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> PsychDoc1 said:
> Not a fan at all. Can't decide whether I hate the rear treatment or the front
> end/light treatment more. And, from the side it looks blander than bland. I
> see an E class in my future. What a disappointment.
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Wow! My first impression is, from the few pictures, I like it. Has a modern,
fresh take, still with many of the usual "5" cues. The front grilles are almost
exact G30 replicas, not sure what is so terrible about the headlights. Rear is
cleaned up a bit and streamlined. I'm glad to see they didn't follow the kind of
upward curve of the 3's and other model's taillight design. Side looks freshened
up a bit, slightly softer lines and cleaner. I hope the updated configurator is
up soon.
I think you just might be having a "knee-jerk" reaction to a few pictures, but
certainly, follow your kind of obvious path to the MB and be happy!
BTW, have you all seen the latest Car & Driver review of the i7? They opined
that it far surpasses the new electric MB "S" in form and function. It was a
good article. Rather than go crazy with some outlandish designs (i.e., MB), the
i7 retains a more classic BMW appearance to its ICE brethren.
UPDATE: I'm looking at the 3/4 and full-view side picture of the G60 5 on the
BMW site and there is an embedded smaller picture of a G30 there. Like I said,
the side is more sleek. I have a feeling the G30 may not take too long to start
looking "old", even with the great-looking LCI rear tallights. I need to start
saving up a bit for my planned '25 or '26.
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· #73 · May 24, 2023
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> Autoputzer said:
> Official pictures of the G60 are up on BMWUSA.com
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> I'm really bummed if that unpainted plastic cladding along the bottom makes it
> to the US. Maybe the M Sport Package will get rid of that, like on the SUVs.
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I don't think it' just "unpainted plastic", like the "cheap looking" low-level
BMW (and MB) SUV's. Looks more like a contrasting gray trim, similar to the
current MSport rear valance. Might give a lighter look to the side since the
body color doesn't extend all the way down.
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Well at least i did not have my breakfast try to come back up, unlike when I saw
the pictures of the 7.
Not a fan of the plastic trim behind the rear door glass, I always thought that
was a design trick used on cars that are more 'style' than substance. Other than
that no surprises and glad the grille looks almost restrained compared to others
in the line up.
That being said, the G30 was immediate want / have to have with brain churning
regarding which financial compromises would have to be made to shift $$$$$
around for the check I knew I was going to be writing. Not here. Good... I hope
I don't fall in love when I see the first one on the road or dealer lot.
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Here's another video of the i5. It shows that cladding along the bottom of the
side and rear being painted black plastic. I'm not sure how that'd hold up to
sand an rocks getting thrown up by the front tires.
The greenhouse and rear end sort of look like the previous generation Toyota
Camry... that's a compliment. I like the thin C-Pillar.
The door handles might be more aerodynamic that current ones. But, they won't
feel as good to use. Also, it's creepy putting your fingers some place you can't
see. My '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R had BMW-esque door handles. My '96 Nissan 200SX
SE-R (two-door Sentra) had flush door handles, and I hated them.
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> Autoputzer said:
> Here's another video of the i5. It shows that cladding along the bottom of the
> side and rear being painted black plastic. I'm not sure how that'd hold up to
> sand an rocks getting thrown up by the front tires.
>
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>
>
> The greenhouse and rear end sort of look like the previous generation Toyota
> Camry... that's a compliment. I like the thin C-Pillar.
>
> The door handles might be more aerodynamic that current ones. But, they won't
> feel as good to use. Also, it's creepy putting your fingers some place you
> can't see. My '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R had BMW-esque door handles. My '96 Nissan
> 200SX SE-R (two-door Sentra) had flush door handles, and I hated them.
> Click to expand...
Unfortunately, many manufacturers are "reverting" to this handle style. I
thought they were "cool" on my '80's Oldsmobiles (not so much now).
BTW, the G30 MSport rocker panels are (body-colored) plastic, at least mine are
('18 and '22 540i MSports). Never had an issue.
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can certainly live with the front grill design
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> markl53 said:
> Unfortunately, many manufacturers are "reverting" to this handle style. I
> thought they were "cool" on my '80's Oldsmobiles (not so much now).
>
> BTW, the G30 MSport rocker panels are (body-colored) plastic, at least mine
> are ('18 and '22 540i MSports). Never had an issue.
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Painted black surfaces really show scratches. You don't see them on the lower
body much because you're on the same side of the surface as the sun. Being on
the opposite side as the sun is how you look for and see every little scratch.
The unpainted, black plastic cladding on the lower body and bumpers was a 1980's
thing. It was cheap and it also made recycling easier. The EU requires car
manufacturers to be responsible for recycling 85% of any of their cars that are
turned into them. If that black cladding makes it here, where 80% of a car is
recycled just by the "Invisible Hand" (people doing what is in their own best
interest), buy a big bottle of CRC's "303" protectant, and splooge the cladding
monthly. I really helps to have a mechanic's stool when doing this.
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> kssod said:
> can certainly live with the front grill design
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One of the principles of good automotive design (styling) is that similar types
of curves have similar radiuses. The front bumper has a lot of relatively sharp
edges, where the rest of the car doesn't. The nose of the LCI-ed G05 X5 has a
lot of sharp edges, more than the rest of the car/truck.
I had a C/K8 (8th generation) Chevy Silverado. Mine way a MY 2000. They later
"refreshed" the body by redesigning the front clip (grill, bumper, hood,
fenders). The new clip was more angular than the cab and bed. It looked weird.
BMW's falling into the same trap.
Here's "Autoputzer, Jr.," big, white, and cheap... just like Autoputzer, Sr. ...
also primitive, unstable, top-heavy, and high-emissions.... just like
Autoputzer, Sr. But, the curves on the front matched the curves on the rest of
the truck.
Here's a 2005, refreshed, C/K8. The sharp edges on the hood don't match the soft
edges on the back.
I'd get up to $4000 off of GM vehicles, grandfathered in on the old rules of the
GM MasterCard. I bought Autoputzer, Jr. for just above dealer invoice, about
$18k with an MSRP of about $21k. I kept Autoputzer, Jr. six years and 74k miles,
and still got almost half was I paid for it. It still had the original tires at
74k miles, too. That was a milestone in... wait for it... Tire Whispering.
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Here's a video from Romania showing a 520i, including unpainted cladding along
the bottom.... on a $65k car. Yeah, right.
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