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Submitted URL:
https://dhlcustomsza.page.link/Pay?id=100002229796153/
Effective URL:
https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556
Submission: On February 27 via api (February 27th 2024, 9:06:48 pm UTC) from IE — Scanned from DE

Summary HTTP 9 Redirects Behaviour Indicators

Summary

This website contacted 2 IPs in 2 countries across 2 domains to perform 9 HTTP transactions. The main IP is 41.185.8.68, located in South Africa and belongs to ZA-1-Grid, ZA. The main domain is srv70.hostserv.co.za.
TLS certificate: Issued by cPanel, Inc. Certification Authority on January 24th 2024. Valid for: 3 months.

This is the only time srv70.hostserv.co.za was scanned on urlscan.io!

urlscan.io Verdict: Potentially Malicious

Targeting these brands: DHL (Transportation)

Domain & IP information

	IP Address	AS Autonomous System
1 1	2a00:1450:400... 2a00:1450:4001:81c::2001	15169 (GOOGLE) (GOOGLE)
3 12	41.185.8.68 41.185.8.68	36943 (ZA-1-Grid) (ZA-1-Grid)
9	2

1 2a00:1450:4001:81c::2001 (Frankfurt am Main, Germany) 1 redirects

ASN15169 (GOOGLE, US)

dhlcustomsza.page.link	Domain lookup VirusTotal SecurityTrails crt.sh Censys Domaintools

12 41.185.8.68 (South Africa) 3 redirects

ASN36943 (ZA-1-Grid, ZA)
PTR: srv70.hostserv.co.za

srv70.hostserv.co.za	Domain lookup VirusTotal SecurityTrails crt.sh Censys Domaintools

	Apex Domain Subdomains	Transfer
12	hostserv.co.za 3 redirects srv70.hostserv.co.za	411 KB
1	page.link 1 redirects dhlcustomsza.page.link	1 KB
9	2

	Domain	Requested by
12	srv70.hostserv.co.za	3 redirects srv70.hostserv.co.za
1	dhlcustomsza.page.link	1 redirects
9	2

This site contains no links.

Subject Issuer	Validity	Valid
srv70.hostserv.co.za cPanel, Inc. Certification Authority	`2024-01-24` - `2024-04-23`	3 months	crt.sh

This page contains 1 frames:

Primary Page: https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556
Frame ID: B72DF7DC31C3489A321C2A9A43321A33
Requests: 10 HTTP requests in this frame

Screenshot
Live screenshot

Full Image

Page Title

| Welcome |

Page URL History Show full URLs

https://dhlcustomsza.page.link/Pay?id=100002229796153/ HTTP 302
https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/sa HTTP 301
https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/sa/ Page URL
https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/ HTTP 302
https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/index.php?valid=true&id=58551516 HTTP 302
https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 Page URL

Detected technologies

PHP (Programming Languages) Expand

Overall confidence: 100%
Detected patterns

\.php(?:$|\?)

Page Statistics

9
Requests

100 %
HTTPS

50 %
IPv6

2
Domains

2
Subdomains

2
IPs

2
Countries

427 kB
Transfer

425 kB
Size

1
Cookies

0 Outgoing links

These are links going to different origins than the main page.

Page URL History

This captures the URL locations of the websites, including HTTP redirects and client-side redirects via JavaScript or Meta fields.

https://dhlcustomsza.page.link/Pay?id=100002229796153/ HTTP 302
https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/sa HTTP 301
https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/sa/ Page URL
https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/ HTTP 302
https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/index.php?valid=true&id=58551516 HTTP 302
https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 Page URL

Redirected requests

There were HTTP redirect chains for the following requests:

Request Chain 0

https://dhlcustomsza.page.link/Pay?id=100002229796153/ HTTP 302
https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/sa HTTP 301
https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/sa/

9 HTTP transactions
1 data transactions

Method Protocol	Status	Resource Path	Size x-fer	Time Latency	Type MIME-Type	IP Location
GET H/1.1	200 OK	/ Show response srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/sa/ Redirect Chain https://dhlcustomsza.page.link/Pay?id=100002229796153/ https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/sa https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/sa/	99 B 331 B	181ms 180ms	Document text/html	41.185.8.68 ZA-1-Grid
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Full URL https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/sa/ Protocol HTTP/1.1 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 41.185.8.68 , South Africa, ASN36943 (ZA-1-Grid, ZA), Reverse DNS srv70.hostserv.co.za Software Apache / PHP/7.1.33 Resource Hash `018c82fd62cb21336074bdd4dd32daec27a2ffda3fcd1cd88a997be89f35961a` Request headers Upgrade-Insecure-Requests 1 User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/122.0.6261.69 Safari/537.36 accept-language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Response headers Connection Keep-Alive Content-Type text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:06:43 GMT Keep-Alive timeout=5, max=99 Server Apache Transfer-Encoding chunked X-Powered-By PHP/7.1.33 Redirect headers Connection Keep-Alive Content-Length 248 Content-Type text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Date Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:06:43 GMT Keep-Alive timeout=5, max=100 Location https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/sa/ Server Apache
GET H/1.1	200 OK	Primary Request 00951124a.php Show response srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/ Redirect Chain https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/ https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/index.php?valid=true&id=58551516 https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556	3 KB 3 KB	186ms 186ms	Document text/html	41.185.8.68 ZA-1-Grid
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Full URL https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 Protocol HTTP/1.1 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 41.185.8.68 , South Africa, ASN36943 (ZA-1-Grid, ZA), Reverse DNS srv70.hostserv.co.za Software Apache / PHP/7.1.33 Resource Hash `a5be702f966aa8de02b0f05c3538a1b24e3f1e9d98f293dfcef190f4a78066ac` Request headers Referer https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/sa/ Upgrade-Insecure-Requests 1 User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/122.0.6261.69 Safari/537.36 accept-language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Response headers Cache-Control no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate Connection Keep-Alive Content-Type text/html; charset-UTF-8;charset=UTF-8 Date Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:06:45 GMT Expires Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT Keep-Alive timeout=5, max=96 Pragma no-cache Server Apache Transfer-Encoding chunked X-Powered-By PHP/7.1.33 Redirect headers Cache-Control no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate Connection Keep-Alive Content-Type text/html; charset-UTF-8;charset=UTF-8 Date Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:06:44 GMT Expires Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT Keep-Alive timeout=5, max=97 Location ./00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 Pragma no-cache Server Apache Transfer-Encoding chunked X-Powered-By PHP/7.1.33
GET H/1.1	200 OK	style.css srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/css/	209 KB 209 KB	169ms 168ms	Stylesheet text/css	41.185.8.68 ZA-1-Grid
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Full URL https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/css/style.css Requested by Host: srv70.hostserv.co.za URL: https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 Protocol HTTP/1.1 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 41.185.8.68 , South Africa, ASN36943 (ZA-1-Grid, ZA), Reverse DNS srv70.hostserv.co.za Software Apache / Resource Hash `993198ae94d90e3ea850f7d6b70443b64cf5f817098c778821edf924c297eea3` Request headers accept-language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/122.0.6261.69 Safari/537.36 Response headers Date Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:06:45 GMT Last-Modified Wed, 13 Dec 2023 03:08:38 GMT Server Apache Content-Type text/css Connection Keep-Alive Accept-Ranges bytes Keep-Alive timeout=5, max=95 Content-Length 213657
GET H/1.1	200 OK	style.js Show response srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/js/	103 KB 103 KB	506ms 170ms	Script application/javascript	41.185.8.68 ZA-1-Grid
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Full URL https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/js/style.js Requested by Host: srv70.hostserv.co.za URL: https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 Protocol HTTP/1.1 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 41.185.8.68 , South Africa, ASN36943 (ZA-1-Grid, ZA), Reverse DNS srv70.hostserv.co.za Software Apache / Resource Hash `322fdf24d9fb2426721fe687c80fc1e210c717bdc43ee679a7d963ec4309ecc0` Request headers accept-language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/122.0.6261.69 Safari/537.36 Response headers Date Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:06:45 GMT Last-Modified Wed, 13 Dec 2023 03:08:38 GMT Server Apache Content-Type application/javascript Connection Keep-Alive Accept-Ranges bytes Keep-Alive timeout=5, max=100 Content-Length 105397
GET H/1.1	200 OK	lg.svg srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/img/	2 KB 2 KB	510ms 171ms	Image image/svg+xml	41.185.8.68 ZA-1-Grid
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Show image Full URL https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/img/lg.svg Requested by Host: srv70.hostserv.co.za URL: https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 Protocol HTTP/1.1 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 41.185.8.68 , South Africa, ASN36943 (ZA-1-Grid, ZA), Reverse DNS srv70.hostserv.co.za Software Apache / Resource Hash `aeed178a287002e32c4a7767dc24b3c732a812cdd42017835055e42db4d2eae1` Request headers accept-language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/122.0.6261.69 Safari/537.36 Response headers Date Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:06:45 GMT Last-Modified Wed, 13 Dec 2023 03:08:38 GMT Server Apache Content-Type image/svg+xml Connection Keep-Alive Accept-Ranges bytes Keep-Alive timeout=5, max=100 Content-Length 2040
GET H/1.1	200 OK	pak.png srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/img/	878 B 1 KB	534ms 173ms	Image image/png	41.185.8.68 ZA-1-Grid
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Show image Full URL https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/img/pak.png Requested by Host: srv70.hostserv.co.za URL: https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 Protocol HTTP/1.1 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 41.185.8.68 , South Africa, ASN36943 (ZA-1-Grid, ZA), Reverse DNS srv70.hostserv.co.za Software Apache / Resource Hash `4057023fcfa4360934b1a1409a74a40ffbc2bb7dacd2bcc6f69d66a9673f09e8` Request headers accept-language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/122.0.6261.69 Safari/537.36 Response headers Date Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:06:45 GMT Last-Modified Wed, 13 Dec 2023 03:08:38 GMT Server Apache Content-Type image/png Connection Keep-Alive Accept-Ranges bytes Keep-Alive timeout=5, max=100 Content-Length 878
GET H/1.1	200 OK	ta3.svg srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/img/	2 KB 2 KB	171ms 171ms	Image image/svg+xml	41.185.8.68 ZA-1-Grid
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Show image Full URL https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/img/ta3.svg Requested by Host: srv70.hostserv.co.za URL: https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 Protocol HTTP/1.1 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 41.185.8.68 , South Africa, ASN36943 (ZA-1-Grid, ZA), Reverse DNS srv70.hostserv.co.za Software Apache / Resource Hash `42794908246997d603888b2c2098941e0c3f9b7b0f719134365789189c7edac0` Request headers accept-language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/122.0.6261.69 Safari/537.36 Response headers Date Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:06:45 GMT Last-Modified Wed, 13 Dec 2023 03:08:38 GMT Server Apache Content-Type image/svg+xml Connection Keep-Alive Accept-Ranges bytes Keep-Alive timeout=5, max=99 Content-Length 1917
GET H/1.1	200 OK	pub.jpg srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/img/	80 KB 80 KB	171ms 171ms	Image image/jpeg	41.185.8.68 ZA-1-Grid
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Show image Full URL https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/img/pub.jpg Requested by Host: srv70.hostserv.co.za URL: https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 Protocol HTTP/1.1 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 41.185.8.68 , South Africa, ASN36943 (ZA-1-Grid, ZA), Reverse DNS srv70.hostserv.co.za Software Apache / Resource Hash `fd6d79b881550d2aced201e506cbd7dfacafc19c16db81a655ad06f2835819c5` Request headers accept-language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/122.0.6261.69 Safari/537.36 Response headers Date Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:06:45 GMT Last-Modified Wed, 13 Dec 2023 03:08:38 GMT Server Apache Content-Type image/jpeg Connection Keep-Alive Accept-Ranges bytes Keep-Alive timeout=5, max=99 Content-Length 82133
GET H/1.1	200 OK	pubr.gif srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/img/	8 KB 8 KB	171ms 170ms	Image image/gif	41.185.8.68 ZA-1-Grid
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Show image Full URL https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/layout/img/pubr.gif Requested by Host: srv70.hostserv.co.za URL: https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 Protocol HTTP/1.1 Security TLS 1.3, , AES_128_GCM Server 41.185.8.68 , South Africa, ASN36943 (ZA-1-Grid, ZA), Reverse DNS srv70.hostserv.co.za Software Apache / Resource Hash `38d38e7a9e31f364cf1238ed6efcad478b3d71b56a8070c7aeda136e7a09dfa6` Request headers accept-language de-DE,de;q=0.9 Referer https://srv70.hostserv.co.za/~jonker/-/za/securedhl/F004f19441/00951124a.php?web=succes&local=_&id=18100556 User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/122.0.6261.69 Safari/537.36 Response headers Date Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:06:45 GMT Last-Modified Wed, 13 Dec 2023 03:08:38 GMT Server Apache Content-Type image/gif Connection Keep-Alive Accept-Ranges bytes Keep-Alive timeout=5, max=98 Content-Length 8344
GET DATA	200 OK	truncated /	17 KB 17 KB		Font application/font-woff2
General Check archive.org Show headers Download Go to Full URL data:truncated Protocol DATA Server -, , ASN (), Reverse DNS Software / Resource Hash `5dd216ad75ced5dd6acfb48d1ae11ba66fb373c26da7fc5efbdad9fd1c14f6e3` Request headers Referer Origin https://srv70.hostserv.co.za accept-language de-DE,de;q=0.9 User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/122.0.6261.69 Safari/537.36 Response headers Content-Type application/font-woff2;charset=utf-8

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Potentially malicious activity detected
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Phishing against: DHL (Transportation)

8 JavaScript Global Variables

These are the non-standard "global" variables defined on the window object. These can be helpful in identifying possible client-side frameworks and code.

1 Cookies

Cookies are little pieces of information stored in the browser of a user. Whenever a user visits the site again, he will also send his cookie values, thus allowing the website to re-identify him even if he changed locations. This is how permanent logins work.

			Domain/Path	Expires	Name / Value
			srv70.hostserv.co.za/	1969-12-31 23:59:59	Name: PHPSESSID Value: 449ed9c8fb95ea61322ff5cf93c5e08d

Indicators

This is a term in the security industry to describe indicators such as IPs, Domains, Hashes, etc. This does not imply that any of these indicate malicious activity.

dhlcustomsza.page.link
srv70.hostserv.co.za
2a00:1450:4001:81c::2001
41.185.8.68
018c82fd62cb21336074bdd4dd32daec27a2ffda3fcd1cd88a997be89f35961a
322fdf24d9fb2426721fe687c80fc1e210c717bdc43ee679a7d963ec4309ecc0
38d38e7a9e31f364cf1238ed6efcad478b3d71b56a8070c7aeda136e7a09dfa6
4057023fcfa4360934b1a1409a74a40ffbc2bb7dacd2bcc6f69d66a9673f09e8
42794908246997d603888b2c2098941e0c3f9b7b0f719134365789189c7edac0
5dd216ad75ced5dd6acfb48d1ae11ba66fb373c26da7fc5efbdad9fd1c14f6e3
993198ae94d90e3ea850f7d6b70443b64cf5f817098c778821edf924c297eea3
a5be702f966aa8de02b0f05c3538a1b24e3f1e9d98f293dfcef190f4a78066ac
aeed178a287002e32c4a7767dc24b3c732a812cdd42017835055e42db4d2eae1
fd6d79b881550d2aced201e506cbd7dfacafc19c16db81a655ad06f2835819c5

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Summary

urlscan.io Verdict: Potentially Malicious

Domain & IP information

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Page Statistics

9 Requests

100 %HTTPS

50 %IPv6

2 Domains

2 Subdomains

2 IPs

2 Countries

427 kBTransfer

425 kBSize

1 Cookies

0 Outgoing links

Page URL History

Redirected requests

9 HTTP transactions Everything HTML Script AJAX CSS Image Expand all 1 data transactions

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8 JavaScript Global Variables

1 Cookies

Indicators

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41.185.8.68 Malicious Activity! Public Scan

Screenshot
Live screenshot

Full Image

9
Requests

100 %
HTTPS

50 %
IPv6

2
Domains

2
Subdomains

2
IPs

2
Countries

427 kB
Transfer

425 kB
Size

1
Cookies

9 HTTP transactions
1 data transactions

Potentially malicious activity detected
Disclaimer: These verdicts should be used to detect potentially malicious websites, not as a final verdict!