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Skip to contentSkip to site index Search & Section Navigation Section Navigation SEARCH Politics SUBSCRIBE FOR $1/WEEKLog in Wednesday, August 2, 2023 Today’s Paper SUBSCRIBE FOR $1/WEEK Politics|From Right-Hand Man to Critical Witness: Pence at Heart of Trump Prosecution https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/us/politics/mike-pence-trump-indictment.html * Give this article * * * 358 TRUMP JAN. 6 CASE * Trump Indicted * The Indictment * The Charges * The Judge * The 6 Co-Conspirators * What if Trump Is Convicted? * Trump Inquiries Tracker Advertisement SKIP ADVERTISEMENT Supported by SKIP ADVERTISEMENT FROM RIGHT-HAND MAN TO CRITICAL WITNESS: PENCE AT HEART OF TRUMP PROSECUTION “Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States,” the former vice president said shortly after the indictment of Donald Trump. * Give this article * * * 358 * Read in app Video transcript Back bars 0:00/1:12 -0:00 transcript ‘TRUMP ASKED ME TO PUT HIM OVER THE CONSTITUTION,’ PENCE SAYS FORMER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE SUGGESTED THAT FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP’S EFFORTS TO OVERTURN THE 2020 ELECTION SHOULD DISQUALIFY HIM FROM HOLDING OFFICE AGAIN. Irrespective of the indictment, I want the American people to know that I had no right to overturn the election. And that on that day, President Trump asked me to put him over the Constitution. But I chose the Constitution, and I always will. And I, I really do believe that anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States. What the president maintained that day and frankly has said over and over again over the last two and a half years is completely false. And it’s contrary to what our Constitution and the laws of this country provide. I dismissed it out of hand, but sadly, the president was surrounded by a group of crackpot lawyers that kept telling him what his itching ears wanted to hear. And while I made my case to him of what I understood my oath of the Constitution to require the president ultimately, ultimately, you know, continued to demand that I choose him over the Constitution. And so in this moment, irrespective of how this case plays out, I want the American people to know that I believe with all my heart that by God’s grace I did my duty that day. AD0:28 Advertisement LIVE 00:00 1:12 ‘Trump Asked Me to Put Him Over the Constitution,’ Pence Says By The Associated Press 1:12‘Trump Asked Me to Put Him Over the Constitution,’ Pence Says Former Vice President Mike Pence suggested that former President Donald J. Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election should disqualify him from holding office again.CreditCredit...Jordan Gale for The New York Times By Shane Goldmacher and Maggie Astor Aug. 2, 2023Updated 4:47 p.m. ET The third indictment of Donald J. Trump has put Mike Pence at the center of an extraordinary moment in American politics. He is at once Mr. Trump’s former vice president and his rival in the race for the Republican nomination. And as Mr. Trump is prosecuted for trying to reverse the 2020 election, Mr. Pence has emerged as a critical fact witness who took, as the indictment revealed, “contemporaneous notes” on the plot — and a man whom the president berated as “too honest” for his refusal to go along. Shane Goldmacher is a national political reporter and was previously the chief political correspondent for the Metro desk. Before joining The Times, he worked at Politico, where he covered national Republican politics and the 2016 presidential campaign. More about Shane Goldmacher Maggie Astor is a reporter covering live news and U.S. politics. She has also reported on climate, the coronavirus and disinformation. More about Maggie Astor Read 358 Comments * Give this article * * * 358 * Read in app Advertisement SKIP ADVERTISEMENT COMMENTS 358 From Right-Hand Man to Critical Witness: Pence at Heart of Trump ProsecutionSkip to Comments Share your thoughts. The Times needs your voice. We welcome your on-topic commentary, criticism and expertise. Comments are moderated for civility. SITE INDEX SITE INFORMATION NAVIGATION * © 2023 The New York Times Company * NYTCo * Contact Us * Accessibility * Work with us * Advertise * T Brand Studio * Your Ad Choices * Privacy Policy * Terms of Service * Terms of Sale * Site Map * Canada * International * Help * Subscriptions Enjoy unlimited access to all of The Times. See subscription options We've updated our termsWe encourage you to review our updated Terms of Sale, Terms of Service, and Privacy Policy. By continuing, you agree to the updated Terms listed here.Continue