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Home * News & Insights * News & Insights Home * Artificial Intelligence * Innovation * IT Careers & Skills * Cloud * Cyber Security * Future of Work * All Categories * Marketing * HR * Finance * Community * Ask question * Community Home * Spiceworks Originals * Cloud * Collaboration * Networking * Water Cooler * Windows * All forums * How-Tos * Scripts * Vendors * Meetups * Reviews * Online Events Login Join Login Join * Home * Spiceworks * Features UH-OH! -- TROUBLE IN O-Z Posted by sladeashford on Sep 17th, 2020 at 10:51 AM Features IT Jobs / Careers This is in regard to a Microsoft Exchange DAG (Database Availability Group) for a very large food franchise that's based in a few countries around the world. What I thought would be a ridiculously easy change ended up bringing the entire O-Z database to a crashing halt. At the time I had done a 2007 to 2013 exchange as well as a fresh installation of exchange 2013 so I thought I was this super hot exchange guru. The Drive the database was sitting on was running extremely low on hard drive space, but because it was a physical server with partitions, increasing space was not as straight forward as it is now with a Virtual Environment. I arranged new drives and installed them into the server, set up a logical disk for the RAID configuration, and continued to bring the new partition online. I gave it a drive letter and then moved the database, which all went super smoothly. When I mounted the database it started giving issues which I was able to get past eventually but there was no mail flow to anyone that had a mailbox residing in that database. Due to the times this franchise is open it was extremely difficult to arrange a good time that suited them as there were large amounts of data that had to be copied so a long weekend would have been perfect. Unfortunately I was told to start Saturday afternoon after 14:00. Sunday night at around 18:00, after spending the entire Saturday night and Sunday power googling with no resolution, I gave a friend a call, someone I know is an exchange guru, not just a self-proclaimed one like I was. Well after hearing what happened he spent a few good hours on it but wasn't able to find a solution. Bear in mind business starts at 07:00 on Monday morning. He eventually figured out what the problem was early on Monday morning but the steps we needed to take to fix the problem were RIDICULOUS. If you have your server configured with C:\, E:\, F:\ and G:\ and put the A-G database on E and O-Z on F:\ then all servers brought into the DAG need to have the exact same configuration with the database copy residing on the same drive as the other server. I obviously moved the drive to H:\ and the other servers were like Hell no, Ours is on F:\ and that's how the fight started. Business only commenced Wednesday afternoon. All stores that began with an O all the way to Z had no mail. Well, as you can imagine, the client was spitting flames and I am sure someone blew a blood vessel or suddenly developed a case of Chronic High Blood Pressure. The client and I had an extremely good relationship as I had been given the task of Server and network escalation for the onsite guys and if a "priority 1, severity 1" came in for them I had to drop everything I was doing to assist them. However, from the time I called the client on Sunday afternoon to tell him what's happened and that I needed to get someone with far more knowledge and experience to assist me till the day email started to flow again, he pretty much spoke 60 decibels louder towards me. I could see the anger and frustration just consume his entire demeanor. Thankfully, once mail was flowing again our relationship turned to normal again. He always phoned me on my cell for issues or if he needed it done quickly rather than going through the switchboard, helpdesk, and account manager. Strangely enough, they still trusted me in the environment which I was really grateful for, but it did change my cowboy mentality regarding making changes to an environment I 'think' I know. My direct boss and the account manager that I had to give feedback to constantly were probably the best at holding in their emotions. Once I called them on Sunday, just before the client, I could hear that initial like "THIS IS UTTER DEVASTATION," but they did everything they could to assist me and talk to the client on my behalf. I am extremely short tempered and I will have my say if you come gunning at me. If you shout at me in a work environment I lose respect instantly. If something happens, call me into an office so we can talk humanely to each other. If I do the same thing again, well then, I expect that person to be a little ill-tempered and I will accept the consequences. I don't think I would have been able to keep my temper under control if they hadn't been as supportive as they were. Trying to troubleshoot or make progress on the problem at hand but your phone is constantly ringing to give someone else an update or asking how long it's going to take, all while knowing I completely messed up (keeping it clean language wise), with no sleep I was right on the edge at times. I was typing powershell commands with the downward force of a sledge hammer, like trying to push the keys out the other side of the keyboard. It taught me a lot about keeping cool under pressure, always ensuring your knowledge on the latest tech and environments is up to date and rather take a little longer to assess, understand and plot the best strategy to achieve the task before naively and arrogantly making changes. Got a good story about a time you messed up at work? Your fellow SpiceHeads want to hear it! Send us an email (news@spiceworks.com) with your Uh-Oh! story! You'll earn 250 spice points when your feature gets published! Read about other IT pros' awkward moments in the Uh-Oh Features group. Spice (76) Reply (13) flagReport sladeashford This person is a verified professional. Verify your account to enable IT peers to see that you are a professional. poblano 24X7 CYBERSECURITY MIT SOC UND INCIDENT RESPONSE Sep 21 @ 4:00 PM Webinar Webinar : 24x7 CyberSecurity mit SOC und Incident Response Event Details Opens a new window View all events 13 REPLIES * thomasstenhaug This person is a verified professional. Verify your account to enable IT peers to see that you are a professional. poblano Sep 17th, 2020 at 12:41 PM shiiiiieeett well its these kind of situations that really stick with you. Glad you got it to work. And still managed to get a good relationship with the client. Edit: also first, that never happends almost. Spice (7) flagReport Was this post helpful? thumb_up thumb_down * DailyLlama This person is a verified professional. Verify your account to enable IT peers to see that you are a professional. ghost chili Sep 17th, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ugh, what a mess! Good that you were able to figure it out and fix it in the end. Spice (2) flagReport Was this post helpful? thumb_up thumb_down * john.chuma This person is a verified professional. Verify your account to enable IT peers to see that you are a professional. cayenne Sep 17th, 2020 at 2:41 PM That brings me back to the says of when I was at a MSP - some of the Exchange mailboxes were corrupted (large mailboxes) and were pegging the CPU on the Exchange server/s. We initially thought it was a bad server, but through working with Microsoft support around the clock of nearly a week, we figured it out. The client moved to O365 shortly after that. Spice (2) flagReport Was this post helpful? thumb_up thumb_down * bengarbutt This person is a verified professional. Verify your account to enable IT peers to see that you are a professional. serrano Sep 17th, 2020 at 3:23 PM I'm glad that my Surname starts with a G after reading this..... Spice (3) flagReport Was this post helpful? thumb_up thumb_down * Jason1121 This person is a verified professional. Verify your account to enable IT peers to see that you are a professional. thai pepper Sep 17th, 2020 at 5:59 PM Great story. Been there a few times in the past with Exchange. Drive space was usually the cause. It's situations like you describe that taught me to give Exchange 4x the room I think it might need. Like you said though - with virtualization it's a whole lot easier to expand drive space. Exchange being down for a long time is the reason I put Mail Enable in front of the Exchange server. Users could then use the webmail interface for email. Not as good as Outlook but it works in a pinch. Spice (4) flagReport Was this post helpful? thumb_up thumb_down * deanmoncaster This person is a verified professional. Verify your account to enable IT peers to see that you are a professional. datil Sep 17th, 2020 at 6:09 PM "how can this happen". it is a computer, stupid things happen all the time for no apparent reason! Spice (6) flagReport Was this post helpful? thumb_up thumb_down * DailyLlama This person is a verified professional. Verify your account to enable IT peers to see that you are a professional. ghost chili Sep 17th, 2020 at 6:33 PM > deanmoncaster wrote: > > "how can this happen". > > it is a computer, stupid things happen all the time for no apparent reason! "no apparent reason" usually means users! * local_offer Tagged Items * deanmoncaster Spice (5) flagReport Was this post helpful? thumb_up thumb_down * Stay_Dandy This person is a verified professional. Verify your account to enable IT peers to see that you are a professional. thai pepper Sep 17th, 2020 at 8:06 PM I had an issue just this morning where I had to just stay cool. Especially when they went behind my back to my boss to try to get me in trouble. It can be so hard sometimes. Good job getting it resolved but I feel your frustration. Spice (2) flagReport Was this post helpful? thumb_up thumb_down * David Whitehead This person is a verified professional. Verify your account to enable IT peers to see that you are a professional. chipotle Sep 17th, 2020 at 8:21 PM Aside from the fact that you were able to get things going again, I especially liked the " If you shout at me in a work environment I lose respect instantly.". I'm the same way. Spice (4) flagReport Was this post helpful? thumb_up thumb_down * Manwiththeforce This person is a verified professional. Verify your account to enable IT peers to see that you are a professional. jalapeno Sep 17th, 2020 at 10:49 PM I remember a situation with Exchange 2013 I ran into - I was upgrading Exchange 2003 all the way to 2013 (including the hops in the middle). I spent countless hours before beginning just the first migration, researching, planning, guide creation off of other guide creations, more researching, more planning, revising my guide. Went through all the migrations up to 2013 flawlessly. I thought I had this exchange thing down. Waited a week for it to settle, researched some more, revised my guides some more, had a different guide up from someone more knowledgeable than me, went to migrate to Exchange 2013 and ran into issue after issue after issue. I spent days on this, got my boss involved, he spent days, got Microsoft involved.....it was a soul crushing learning event. Spice (5) flagReport Was this post helpful? thumb_up thumb_down * * John5152 This person is a verified professional. Verify your account to enable IT peers to see that you are a professional. habanero Sep 18th, 2020 at 11:05 AM And this is why Office365 is the best thing since sliced bread - no more Exchange to screw up - I mean manage! Spice (3) flagReport Was this post helpful? thumb_up thumb_down * StapleBench This person is a verified professional. Verify your account to enable IT peers to see that you are a professional. poblano Sep 22nd, 2020 at 6:50 AM I was just hired as IT support right out of high school for the world's largest car dealership at the time. It was around Y2K and I was tasked to look at the corporate internal email system for the top management. Internal email for like 12 people.... It was an aging physical Compaq server running on NT4 with MS Email for workgroups... There was a qualification test that Compaq had that certified the hardware RAID for Y2K that I stared at about 10 pm. Sometime around 1 am Monday morning I got a BSOD 0x0000007e. FML!.. Somehow figured out where the tape backups were, loaded drivers, and restored that server before 6 am before the big boss got in and saved the day. Nobody knew how bad it could have been. I didn't admit how bad it could have been. All they knew was there I was, waiting to make sure email was working early in the morning. Spice (4) flagReport Was this post helpful? thumb_up thumb_down * burncreek sonora Sep 29th, 2020 at 10:36 AM > David Whitehead wrote: > > Aside from the fact that you were able to get things going again, I > especially liked the " If you shout at me in a work environment I lose > respect instantly.". I'm the same way. Same here. I’m pretty short tempered as well and will also damn right have my say if you come gunning at me, as sladeashford so accurately puts it. This has proved to be a problem in Sweden, where I live. Here, the majority of people are utterly afraid of getting into any kind of conflicts, be it small or even smaller. Many take such as personal insults, whereas for me it’s more of a way of clearing the air right then and there. I’m not saying one way is better than the other, only different. We’re all in the same boat and hell, I’ll buy you a beer later to make up, okay? :-) flagReport Was this post helpful? thumb_up thumb_down lock This topic has been locked by an administrator and is no longer open for commenting. To continue this discussion, please ask a new question. READ THESE NEXT... * SNAP! -- BLUE SUPERMOON, LOCH NESS DRONES, 50TB MAGNETIC TAPE, COFFEE CONCRETE Spiceworks Originals Your daily dose of tech news, in brief. Welcome to the Snap! Flashback: August 28, 2009: The End of AppleTalk (Read more HERE.) Bonus Flashback: August 28, 1993: Galileo spacecraft flies by asteroid Ida (Read more HERE.) 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